First Round Targets

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Wyatt or Travis Jones round 1
Best DE left round 2, with possible trade up

Any combination of Wyatt/Jones and Sam Williams/Cam Thomas looks pretty outstanding to me.

That sounds great, and I’d be more than happy with it.

But I think I’d rather have David Ojabo and Logan Hall.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by staylor26

That sounds great, and I’d be more than happy with it.

But I think I’d rather have David Ojabo and Logan Hall.

I'm not as sold on Ojabo as you but won't complain about them taking a big swing if it works out.

The Eagles are the team that should be taking advantage of him falling due to injury, though. Or the Jags.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm not as sold on Ojabo as you but won't complain about them taking a big swing if it works out.

The Eagles are the team that should be taking advantage of him falling due to injury, though. Or the Jags.

That's the other thought.

If he's there around 25+, the Jags will start working the phones to move up from the 2nd. They could move 33 and 70 and get to about NE's spot.

Gotta figure they start making calls the moment that becomes a realistic possibility. Even sitting pat at 30 would probably see GB or Miami willing to trade their picks right ahead of us to a team that is looking to come grab him.

Let's say you're the Jets and you like him but can't take an injured player at 7 and you think there's a 50/50 chance he makes it to one of your picks in the 2nd.

Okay, you've got 35 and 38 to work with. And you want him in the first anyway because you get that 5th year option and can use this season as something of a red shirt. So you don't even risk not seeing him until 2 because you can use that other 2nd rounder to purchase a red shirt season.

So when Olave isn't there and GB isn't sold on Dotson, you call GB at 22 and you offer 35, 38 and 163 for 22 and 53. Then you take Ojabe and you're probably in a nice spot at 53 to get a nice S or CB option.

I hadn't really thought about that possibility but there's probably a pretty good chance that some team trades ahead of us to grab him from the top of the 2nd. When you're building foundation you draft for upside more than depth and those teams have the time to let him rehab. So why wouldn't you trade a little bit of draft position on guys you're likely looking at as depth pieces anyway for the possibility of grabbing a real blue-chipper.

[kcbubb]

Has anyone watched dayo odeyingbo for the colts? He tore his Achilles and came back for 10 games. If we could reasonably predict that ojabo could come back healthy, take him at 30 AND Sam Williams in the 2nd? First two picks are edge?

[htismaqe]

Given the current holes in the roster (knowing that free agency isn't over, though) I'm not really in favor of drafting someone who can't play right away.

[TambaBerry]

Would Winfrey be a huge reach at 30? I really like him a lot

[In58men]

Mel Kipers latest mock

30. Kansas City Chiefs
George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by In58men

Mel Kipers latest mock

30. Kansas City Chiefs
George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue

Would.

To answer the Ojabo question, yes I'd take Karlaftis over Ojabo.

I just don't see a scenario where Karlaftis isn't an 8-10 sack/season guy by 2023. He just has such a high floor.

Maybe not the ceiling of someone like Ojabo but who cares? I'm building my DL around waves of attackers. If you give me 4 guys on that DL that I'm 80% certain will be productive on any given rep, I'll take that over 2 guys who I'm 100% certain will and 2 guys I'm 50% sure might.

I'll take an entire DL of high-floor guys over high ceiling guys w/ low floors.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Would.

To answer the Ojabo question, yes I'd take Karlaftis over Ojabo.

I just don't see a scenario where Karlaftis isn't an 8-10 sack/season guy by 2023. He just has such a high floor.

Maybe not the ceiling of someone like Ojabo but who cares? I'm building my DL around waves of attackers. If you give me 4 guys on that DL that I'm 80% certain will be productive on any given rep, I'll take that over 2 guys who I'm 100% certain will and 2 guys I'm 50% sure might.

I'll take an entire DL of high-floor guys over high ceiling guys w/ low floors.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I just kinda feel like that's maybe where our Brendan Daly disconnect came.

We brought Daly in trying to build the Patriots 'mush rush' sort of approach. Then we put together a stars/scrubs DL.

If you want that Patriots sort of defense where any given player can win at any given time, you're probably not going to be able to have 2 guys making $40 million on the line with a couple of scrubs. But you can have 4 guys making $10 million and you'll get much better results.

Or, in this case, instead of drafting high ceiling guys with higher bust potential, you just focus on the high floor reliable guys. Then you build up the secondary.

That's how BBs done it for awhile now. It's the direction we need to start heading sooner rather than later. And yeah, that means Jones is probably in his last year here...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I just kinda feel like that's maybe where our Brendan Daly disconnect came.

We brought Daly in trying to build the Patriots 'mush rush' sort of approach. Then we put together a stars/scrubs DL.

If you want that Patriots sort of defense where any given player can win at any given time, you're probably not going to be able to have 2 guys making $40 million on the line with a couple of scrubs. But you can have 4 guys making $10 million and you'll get much better results.

Or, in this case, instead of drafting high ceiling guys with higher bust potential, you just focus on the high floor reliable guys. Then you build up the secondary.

That's how BBs done it for awhile now. It's the direction we need to start heading sooner rather than later. And yeah, that means Jones is probably in his last year here...

The issue I have with that is, when it gets nut cutting time in late January, we seem to see year after year you need that one dude. Jones in the Sb, Von and Donald this year etc.

I dunno.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Would.

To answer the Ojabo question, yes I'd take Karlaftis over Ojabo.

I just don't see a scenario where Karlaftis isn't an 8-10 sack/season guy by 2023. He just has such a high floor.

Maybe not the ceiling of someone like Ojabo but who cares? I'm building my DL around waves of attackers. If you give me 4 guys on that DL that I'm 80% certain will be productive on any given rep, I'll take that over 2 guys who I'm 100% certain will and 2 guys I'm 50% sure might.

I'll take an entire DL of high-floor guys over high ceiling guys w/ low floors.

I love the work ethic that Karlaftis has. I know the stereotypical “try hard white guy” player but he’s genuine talented. His hand usage is good, he’s got multiple pass rush moves, he’s got athleticism and he’s a a quality run defender.

I’m wondering if they’ll back off their usual arm length requirement bc Karlaftis falls quite short (literally) of that at 32 5/8. They usually go for 34+

[htismaqe]

I really like Karlaftis. I watch a lot of B1G football and often he was a man amongst boys.

[staylor26]

Yea, Karlaftis is one of the very few guys I see realistically falling to us that I would take over Ojabo.

[duncan_idaho]

The Bills literally just did what DJ is talking about.

They had a really effective rotational DL last year. Didn't really get the job done in the playoffs, though... so they went out and attempted to add a force multiplier.

I think you kind of need both. You need to be able to put high floor guys on the field together and keep them fresh, and you still need the dude who can when the chips are down.

I'm cool with paying one dude to be a force multiplier on the DL and I'm cool with that being Jones for at least one more season. I'm not really down for making 2 long-term commitments again.