Chiefs Nobody's talking about the piss-poor run game vs The Bengals last week? - Page 5

Megatron96 · 02-02-2023, 05:38 PM

Reader is a run-stuffing beast, and he came to play Sunday. I think the other thing is that this OL is a little hamstrung trying to run outside the tackles, because our Ts just aren't that quick, but we're pretty stout inside, so most of our better running attacks have been inside the tackles, not outside.

Pivot: PHI is not that good vs. the run, apparently. Not that we'll spend a ton of resources trying to exploit that, but it should be easier to run against PHI.

493rd · 02-02-2023, 06:33 PM

Expect the same against Philly.

**dannybcaitlyn** · 02-02-2023, 06:47 PM

Three pro bowlers on the oline and even the one who shouldn’t be a pro bowler should be hell of a Mauler in the run game. Trey Smith should excel in the run game also. Still can’t run and struggle to get third and 1. I will say Bringing in a NEW D-line coach in Joe Cullens has paid huge dividends for the D. Jus say’n.

kccrow · 02-02-2023, 07:20 PM

Our OL in general isn't that great at generating movement off the snap. They are much better at sealing a guy to clear a lane and moving in space. We're at a disadvantage against teams that have immovable objects at DT and LBs willing to fire downhill. For as good as our IOL are, you guys are expecting them to be these road graders they simply aren't.

The Chiefs can't be a true "smashmouth" running team. They should run the ball, sure, but we're not going to just ram it down their throats like the Titans, Ravens, etc.

It would help if Reid actually used the FB he absolutely insists on wasting a roster spot on and he should have Mahomes taking more snaps from under center if he really wants to try and smash anything.

jerryaldini · 02-02-2023, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Our OL in general isn't that great at generating movement off the snap. They are much better at sealing a guy to clear a lane and moving in space. We're at a disadvantage against teams that have immovable objects at DT and LBs willing to fire downhill. For as good as our IOL are, you guys are expecting them to be these road graders they simply aren't.

The Chiefs can't be a true "smashmouth" running team. They should run the ball, sure, but we're not going to just ram it down their throats like the Titans, Ravens, etc.

It would help if Reid actually used the FB he absolutely insists on wasting a roster spot on and he should have Mahomes taking more snaps from under center if he really wants to try and smash anything.

Yeah we see that every time we try to sneak Bell on 3rd and short.

trndobrd · 02-02-2023, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Our OL in general isn't that great at generating movement off the snap. They are much better at sealing a guy to clear a lane and moving in space. We're at a disadvantage against teams that have immovable objects at DT and LBs willing to fire downhill. For as good as our IOL are, you guys are expecting them to be these road graders they simply aren't.

The Chiefs can't be a true "smashmouth" running team. They should run the ball, sure, but we're not going to just ram it down their throats like the Titans, Ravens, etc.

It would help if Reid actually used the FB he absolutely insists on wasting a roster spot on and he should have Mahomes taking more snaps from under center if he really wants to try and smash anything.

The run game, particularly with Pacheco, has been much better with QB under center. Up until last game, we were seeing more of Mahomes under center. I suspect Mahomes lack of mobility was the reason for the change against the Bengals rather than Reid abandoning the QB under center. On two weeks rest, I expect to see a more mobile Mahomes under center with Pacheco behind him.

Eleazar · 02-03-2023, 08:44 AM

It was driving me insane how we seemingly ran on every 1st down in the second half to no effect. 1-2 yards every time, reliably keeping us out of 3rd and manageable situations. (Of course we still managed some anyway)

Running the ball is fine situationally but in today's NFL, and in our offense with our yards per play running and passing, committing to the run is foolish.

You don't establish the run today, you establish threat to all areas of the field with the run just being one equal part of that.

O.city · 02-03-2023, 08:59 AM

We run more out of the shotgun which changes angles and makes it tougher for he RB's I think.

Seems during the season when we got more under center we ran it better.

DJ's left nut · 02-03-2023, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

We run more out of the shotgun which changes angles and makes it tougher for he RB's I think.

Seems during the season when we got more under center we ran it better.

Pacheco under center: 80 attempts for 401 yards, 5 YPC
Pacheco from shotgun: 90 attempts for 429 yards, 4.8 YPC

Eh. Really not a meaningful distinction for Pop.

Once our WRs all went down the Bengals were playing single high and targeting the running game. And they're a team that defends the run very well.

It just wasn't a good matchup to run the ball against. I don't think there's much more to it than that.

-King- · 02-03-2023, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Pacheco under center: 80 attempts for 401 yards, 5 YPC
Pacheco from shotgun: 90 attempts for 429 yards, 4.8 YPC

Eh. Really not a meaningful distinction for Pop.

Once our WRs all went down the Bengals were playing single high and targeting the running game. And they're a team that defends the run very well.

It just wasn't a good matchup to run the ball against. I don't think there's much more to it than that.

I'm really surprised that the distribution of under center to shotgun runs was almost even.

Wish it could be further broken down by situation. Because we likely go under center more in short yardage situation where the defense is playing the run closer so even though the ypc is almost even, it would show more effective blocking and running in those times.

O.city · 02-03-2023, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Pacheco under center: 80 attempts for 401 yards, 5 YPC
Pacheco from shotgun: 90 attempts for 429 yards, 4.8 YPC

Eh. Really not a meaningful distinction for Pop.

Once our WRs all went down the Bengals were playing single high and targeting the running game. And they're a team that defends the run very well.

It just wasn't a good matchup to run the ball against. I don't think there's much more to it than that.

True.

Especially once the weapons at WR were all hurt it made sense.

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Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: North Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1999600	Reader is a run-stuffing beast, and he came to play Sunday. I think the other thing is that this OL is a little hamstrung trying to run outside the tackles, because our Ts just aren't that quick, but we're pretty stout inside, so most of our better running attacks have been inside the tackles, not outside. Pivot: PHI is not that good vs. the run, apparently. Not that we'll spend a ton of resources trying to exploit that, but it should be easier to run against PHI. __________________ *“Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals believe them.”*- George Orwell Steven "Spags" Spagnuolo is my Adopt-A-Chief!!!
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dannybcaitlyn Supporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Casino cash: $3194000	Three pro bowlers on the oline and even the one who shouldn’t be a pro bowler should be hell of a Mauler in the run game. Trey Smith should excel in the run game also. Still can’t run and struggle to get third and 1. I will say Bringing in a NEW D-line coach in Joe Cullens has paid huge dividends for the D. Jus say’n.
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02-02-2023, 07:20 PM	#4
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1320000	Our OL in general isn't that great at generating movement off the snap. They are much better at sealing a guy to clear a lane and moving in space. We're at a disadvantage against teams that have immovable objects at DT and LBs willing to fire downhill. For as good as our IOL are, you guys are expecting them to be these road graders they simply aren't. The Chiefs can't be a true "smashmouth" running team. They should run the ball, sure, but we're not going to just ram it down their throats like the Titans, Ravens, etc. It would help if Reid actually used the FB he absolutely insists on wasting a roster spot on and he should have Mahomes taking more snaps from under center if he really wants to try and smash anything.
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02-03-2023, 08:44 AM	#7
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	It was driving me insane how we seemingly ran on every 1st down in the second half to no effect. 1-2 yards every time, reliably keeping us out of 3rd and manageable situations. (Of course we still managed some anyway) Running the ball is fine situationally but in today's NFL, and in our offense with our yards per play running and passing, committing to the run is foolish. You don't establish the run today, you establish threat to all areas of the field with the run just being one equal part of that.
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02-03-2023, 08:59 AM	#8
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-765936	We run more out of the shotgun which changes angles and makes it tougher for he RB's I think. Seems during the season when we got more under center we ran it better.
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