Let's talk Defensive Line

[O.city]

Originally Posted by kccrow

If you're speaking on edge, I think there's clear delineation in talent levels.

I think you have Anderson and Wilson then a drop to a tier of Van Ness, Murphy, Foskey, and Tuipulotu and then another drop to a tier of Smith, Hall, McDonald, Anudike-Uzomah, and Ojulari before it drops again. I just so happen to think Smith is going to get drafted higher than some others because of his athleticism in a 3-4 fit.

That's my take at least, I can't speak for everyone.

I'm more of the, post the first 2, there isn't much that separates the prospects, other than projecting them out. Which is definitely part of the whole deal, don't get me wrong, but that gets tough to do.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm more of the, post the first 2, there isn't much that separates the prospects, other than projecting them out. Which is definitely part of the whole deal, don't get me wrong, but that gets tough to do.

Depends on what you're looking at I think. In terms of run defense, that 2nd tier is a whole lot better than the 3rd tier. I think that's what creates your dividing lines, honestly.

[The Franchise]

I'm on the Foskey at 31 train.

[O.city]

There's a big drop either way you look at it after about the 2nd round level of these guys, so we need to hit it early and often if that's the route they wanna go.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

There's a big drop either way you look at it after about the 2nd round level of these guys, so we need to hit it early and often if that's the route they wanna go.

Veach can legitimately hit anywhere in the draft. Have you learned nothing?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Veach can legitimately hit anywhere in the draft. Have you learned nothing?

Pass rushers from the mid late round in terms of the type we need now, aren't exactly high occurrences.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Pass rushers from the mid late round in terms of the type we need now, aren't exactly high occurrences.

That's my bad. I forgot this is a DL thread. I thought you were talking in general.

But I still think we can get a guy like McGuire, Harrison, or Young in the 3rd. Or somebody like Roy at DT. There will be talent still available in the 3rd on the DL, and I wouldn't be surprised if they took a guy in the 1st/2nd AND the 3rd.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

That's my bad. I forgot this is a DL thread. I thought you were talking in general.

But I still think we can get a guy like McGuire, Harrison, or Young in the 3rd. Or somebody like Roy at DT. There will be talent still available in the 3rd on the DL, and I wouldn't be surprised if they took a guy in the 1st/2nd AND the 3rd.

I think those guys can turn into nice rotational pieces for sure, but I'm wanting a real pass rusher that can play every down.

[staylor26]

Keion White was FLYING at his Pro Day ��

White clocked in at an unofficial time of 4.65, which would’ve been the FASTEST time of any player over 283 pounds at the NFL Combine this year.

White weighed in at 6’5” 285 pounds.

The Georgia Tech DE is a FREAK. pic.twitter.com/IprBs3GmNu

— NFL Rookie Watch (@NFLRookieWatxh) March 18, 2023

[Couch-Potato]

Feels like Foskey is the consensus pick if he's available at #31.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Feels like Foskey is the consensus pick if he's available at #31.

I can't see any chance they pass on Keion White if he slides to them.

I mean...his potential is off the scale.

Long, heavy, extremely powerful, freakishly athletic - he's a damn monster.

Foskey's not as heavy, not as powerful and I don't see as much agility either. He's a strict speed edge and while I think that's a fine guy to add - if you could add White, who brings the same athleticism while also being strong enough to move inside at times, he just seems more 'spags'.

Maybe the relatively paltry production in college will push him into the mid-2nd and we wouldn't be willing to gamble on him. But man, how many 6'5" 280+ lb guys who can pop up 30 reps and then run a 4.6 40 are you going to find?

He's just a specimen.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I can't see any chance they pass on Keion White if he slides to them.

I mean...his potential is off the scale.

Long, heavy, extremely powerful, freakishly athletic - he's a damn monster.

Foskey's not as heavy, not as powerful and I don't see as much agility either. He's a strict speed edge and while I think that's a fine guy to add - if you could add White, who brings the same athleticism while also being strong enough to move inside at times, he just seems more 'spags'.

Maybe the relatively paltry production in college will push him into the mid-2nd and we wouldn't be willing to gamble on him. But man, how many 6'5" 280+ lb guys who can pop up 30 reps and then run a 4.6 40 are you going to find?

He's just a specimen.

I've said it before, but White is everything Veach wished he was getting with Speaks.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I've said it before, but White is everything Veach wished he was getting with Speaks.

Whaaaaaaat?

Speaks lacked...everything. Athleticism, strength, agility - all of it.

That pick was real dumb from the moment it was made and it sure LOOKED dumb at the time.

(Well, for SOME of us...)

I mean if you looked at White and said "White is who we hoped Tanoh or Kaindoh could be..." then I'd understand that. But Speaks? Man, I see no comparison of those 2 at all.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Whaaaaaaat?

Speaks lacked...everything. Athleticism, strength, agility - all of it.

That pick was real dumb from the moment it was made and it sure LOOKED dumb at the time.

(Well, for SOME of us...)

I mean if you looked at White and said "White is who we hoped Tanoh or Kaindoh could be..." then I'd understand that. But Speaks? Man, I see no comparison of those 2 at all.

Oh I'm not saying they're comparable prospects aside from size. That's kind of the point.

[DJ's left nut]

Seriously - WTF was Veach thinking with Breeland Speaks?

I really don't understand it. Didn't have the athleticism to play on an edge (certainly not as an OLB), especially when combined with the lack of length. And he didn't have the strength to play inside. He brought NOTHING to the table even as a prospect. There's no a single standout tool and wasn't from the moment he was drafted.