What to do about Wanya Morris?

[Balto]

Miami lost again today and I believe the articles about Terron Armstead being the one Vet Miami could move before the deadline because they have a rookie waiting behind him.

Go get Armstead and let Kingsley learn behind him.

[Kman34]

They are going to stay the course with Morris and Kingsley.. Other than one bad series Morris was ok, not great but ok.. Patrick wasnt running for his life.. I do think Kingsley needs to get in for more game experience after working on his technique for 5 weeks..

[ChiefsCountry]

The problem is Crosby is the best DE in the NFL. He makes most tackles look bad.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The problem is Crosby is the best DE in the NFL. He makes most tackles look bad.

Bosa was having his way with our tackles last week and Hendrickson almost single handedly wrecked the o-line vs Cincy. it's not just Crosby.

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Bosa was having his way with our tackles last week and Hendrickson almost single handedly wrecked the o-line vs Cincy. it's not just Crosby.

And Chris Jones puts clown shoes on offensive linemen on the regular.. Some guys are special…

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Kman34

And Chris Jones puts clown shoes on offensive linemen on the regular.. Some guys are special…

And when folks say "Yeah, but Tyree Wilson got a sack!" --- and?

A lot of the sacks Wharton and/or Karlaftis gets are as a result of the gravity of Chris Jones.

Crosby, like Jones, impacts every play he's in for. And those guys get paid a lot for a reason. They're game-wreckers.

And not a lot of teams have 'em.

It's not an ideal situation we find ourselves in but it's the NFL - ideal is never a thing. And we can make this work provided that Morris plays no worse than he's played to this point. What we've gotten from him has been slightly below average.

We can win with that. It won't always be pretty, but we can do it.

[PatMahomesIsGod]

New coaching? As in a younger stud OL assistant.

It’s tough to develop OL due to the style of college play. Maybe find a guy that’s proficient at it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by PatMahomesIsGod

New coaching? As in a younger stud OL assistant.

It’s tough to develop OL due to the style of college play. Maybe find a guy that’s proficient at it.

Reid is one of the best guys this league has ever seen at coaching up OL and is often taking an active role in the process.

Coaching isn't the issue.

Morris just has heavy feet. This sort of thing is going to happen for him against guys with blue chip talent.

But honestly, Donovan Smith has some of the same issues over there. OBJ always did. There are probably 6-8 edge rushers in the league that will torment someone like Wanya Morris . We've played 3 of them so far (Hendrickson, Bosa and Crosby).

Garrett, Parsons and Watt are the other 3 that would give me some concern. Maybe Hutchinson but he's out for the season.

The good news is that the only one of those guys we MIGHT see in the post-season is Watt. I guess we could see Bosa in the SB again but that seems unlikely. I guess maybe Hendrickson again should the Bengals un-**** themselves but that's a long-shot in its own right (and maybe Morris will have more success against him than Kingsley did).

If Morris starts to sink gameplans against teams that DON'T have one of the handful of elite edge rushers in the league, then you've reached critical mass. But that's not what we've seen. Against most guys, he's credible. And credible's about all we're gonna get from anyone we have out there.

Bakhtiari is about the only guy that might provide a clear upgrade when he's healthy and I'm not opposed to giving him a call. But if he's not coming, this is what you've got.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But honestly, Donovan Smith has some of the same issues over there.

Thank your for mentioning this.

Maybe I’m crazy, but I’m pretty sure I remember Donovan Smith getting his ass whooped in the Super Bowl. Badly.

I don’t think a guy like him (who isn’t an athletic OT) is going to come in without a training camp and be any type of upgrade.

Seems like he’d come in out of shape and struggle as much (likely more).

[Lzen]

I have noticed that several posters have been down on Wanya for a while now. I didn't think he had been that bad. Sure, he's not been playing like a stud, just ok. Yesterday was not a great game for him. An improvement over Christmas day game, yes, but still below average.

I'm wondering when they will give Kingsley another shot. Would be nice to see him improve and take back the spot this year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Lzen

I have noticed that several posters have been down on Wanya for a while now. I didn't think he had been that bad. Sure, he's not been playing like a stud, just ok. Yesterday was not a great game for him. An improvement over Christmas day game, yes, but still below average.

I'm wondering when they will give Kingsley another shot. Would be nice to see him improve and take back the spot this year.

I'm not a Wanya fan at all. I think he's a G that we're asking to do too much.

And he did play better yesterday than he did in the Christmas game. But when you compare how he played vs. Crosby vs. how Taylor played vs. Crosby in the same game, it's night and day.

He's CLEARLY fringe starter caliber at his best and his realistically a swing OT who should be playing G.

I think yesterday further established that. It wasn't the disaster of last season where he didn't look like he should be on an NFL roster. But it did suggest he's being stretched quite a bit doing what we're doing with him.

[O.city]

He's a 3rd round T prospect. There's a few positions that the league has down pretty well on who needs drafted where and tackle is one of them.

The fact that he's this as a 3rd, is...well a success.

If you want a lock down LT....open the pocket book or trade up into QB range.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I'm still hoping Kingsley gets another crack here soon, but we all know Andy isn't changing the lineup unless there is injury.

I'm not ready to make a move necessarily, but I would be touching base with Donovan Smith and making sure he's in shape if needed. That would obviously only be needed if Kingsley is still not ready for primetime in their eyes.

[Sassy Squatch]

I'm going to have to disagree in regards to Morris not sinking game plans. He was getting absolutely worked by the secondary pass rushers as well. Tyree Wilson beat him almost immediately for a sack. Not to mention the holding that was inches away from being a safety.

Hell, the fact that raw as **** Suamataia won the starting job over Morris out of camp despite his myriad of flaws in technique says all it needs to.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

I'm going to have to disagree in regards to Morris not sinking game plans. He was getting absolutely worked by the secondary pass rushers as well. Tyree Wilson beat him almost immediately for a sack. Not to mention the holding that was inches away from being a safety.

Hell, the fact that raw as **** Suamataia won the starting job over Morris out of camp despite his myriad of flaws in technique says all it needs to.

I think the staff made a mistake there. Kingsley looked way better in camp bc his athleticism was noticeably better. We could run screens way more effectively with him and I think the staff pretty much handed him that role.

Kingsley needs an offseason where he does nothing but work on technique. No draft prep shit most of the offseason like this year. Just focus on becoming a better tackle on the field.

If Kingsley can work himself to Wanya’s current level of play next year as a playable tackle that is steady okay of the time it’s a win for a 2nd year player.

And tbh I think that would really help Wanya. I am so confident that G is the place for Wanya to succeed bc he’s losing on speed rushes on the edge which won’t happen inside.

I don’t think we would see a big drop off at all if Wanya replaced Trey Smith at RG next season