What is wrong with Mahomes' deep ball?

[BlackOp]

I remember a line from Sun Tzu's "The Art of War"...

"Never interfere when your enemy is making a mistake"...every team is playing KC like it's their SB. Bills showed their hand by suddenly playing more man than they ever have before. Chiefs arent showing more than they have to.

They burned that surprise too early...it was a strategic mistake.

Hopefully KC can sucker the Steelers/Texans into the same trap...

[irafreak]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

I remember a line from Sun Tzu's "The Art of War"...

"Never interfere when your enemy is making a mistake"...every team is playing KC like it's their SB. Bills showed their hand by suddenly playing more man than they ever have before. Chiefs arent showing more than they have to.

They burned that surprise too early...it was a strategic mistake.

Hopefully KC can sucker the Steelers/Texans into the same trap...

This was my comment in the post gane thread. The chiefs did this exact thing with the Bengals two years ago and completely locked down their offense in the playoff game. Bills want to beat the chiefs so bad they aren't patient enough. They need the confidence boost of any win, even regular season wins.

[Fishels]

Idk but I hate it

[Kman34]

He threw a great deep ball last year. The WRs refused to catch them..

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Kman34

He threw a great deep ball last year. The WRs refused to catch them..

So what is your theory that he cant throw A deep ball this year?

[chiefzilla1501]

I think it is a combo of him being an average deep ball accuracy thrower but I still think the bigger issue is trust. He doesn’t trust his OL, doesn’t trust his WRs and now he doesn’t trust himself.

He will find it eventually. I think he needed a full season with both Hollywood and worthy to get into the groove. Let’s hope in a short time he can still get the mojo back. Meantime he’s done just fine with being below average at it recently so this is just about taking greatness to the next level

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Those pressure percentages just don’t match up with the eye test.

On many of those today, it’s him scrambling up into pressure in the pocket.

Thuney was as solid of LT play as we’ve had all year. He might have to stay out there, IDK.

At some point if this team is going to get it done, Patrick’s gotta snap out of this mental funk and execute the offense. He’s got way too much going on between the ears right now and it’s making issues around him look even bigger.

He has to anticipate and let the ball rip. Stop trying to be so perfect and aim these throws. That’s what it looks like to me.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Those pressure percentages just don’t match up with the eye test.

On many of those today, it’s him scrambling up into pressure in the pocket.

Thuney was as solid of LT play as we’ve had all year. He might have to stay out there, IDK.

At some point if this team is going to get it done, Patrick’s gotta snap out of this mental funk and execute the offense. He’s got way too much going on between the ears right now and it’s making issues around him look even bigger.

He has to anticipate and let the ball rip. Stop trying to be so perfect and aim these throws. That’s what it looks like to me.

That's because pressure also accounts for when Mahomes holds on to the ball too long and when they leave a clean pocket. Which Mahomes does.

He has the same pocket time as Josh Allen and Burrow this season at 2.3 seconds

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by -King-

That's because pressure also accounts for when Mahomes holds on to the ball too long and when they leave a clean pocket. Which Mahomes does.

He has the same pocket time as Josh Allen and Burrow this season at 2.3 seconds

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

That doesn't sound accurate with Allen. He drops back and has a million years to throw. Been the case every time I watch Buffalo.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Those pressure percentages just don’t match up with the eye test.

On many of those today, it’s him scrambling up into pressure in the pocket.

Thuney was as solid of LT play as we’ve had all year. He might have to stay out there, IDK.

At some point if this team is going to get it done, Patrick’s gotta snap out of this mental funk and execute the offense. He’s got way too much going on between the ears right now and it’s making issues around him look even bigger.

He has to anticipate and let the ball rip. Stop trying to be so perfect and aim these throws. That’s what it looks like to me.

Right you are

[New World Order]

Clayster ain’t worried

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Clayster ain’t worried

19 of 20.

8 of those 19 are because Mahomes led a game-winning drive. Hell maybe 9, not sure if the playoff game in Buffalo counts. Chiefs took the lead early in the 4th.

Anyway, please and thank you.

[chiefzilla1501]

I also wonder how much of this is about thinking about the throw. Anybody who’s ever played infield knows the feeling when you start thinking about that throw to first base. I’ve often felt that he throws a really good deep ball off platform. He is worse when his feet are set and he steps into a throw.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I also wonder how much of this is about thinking about the throw. Anybody who’s ever played infield knows the feeling when you start thinking about that throw to first base. I’ve often felt that he throws a really good deep ball off platform. He is worse when his feet are set and he steps into a throw.

That's really all I've got for why there's such a huge difference between the average shitty drive and the last minute come from behind or OT drive (or a couple hurry up drives here and there)... there are (theoretically) times when he's trying to work on things with the offense and so forth, and there are times when he's trying to win a game. And the latter is when he gets out of his head about it and just plays football.

Then you get into the playoffs and it's far more Kelce, far more DHop, getting out of the pocket more to create the dual threat of taking off... just anything to keep the chains moving.

We all saw what happened in the Bucs SB... he ran for 10 miles behind the LoS and was still hitting guys 40 yards downfield (even if balls were going through hands and bouncing off helmets). Pressure only does so much.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

That's really all I've got for why there's such a huge difference between the average shitty drive and the last minute come from behind or OT drive (or a couple hurry up drives here and there)... there are (theoretically) times when he's trying to work on things with the offense and so forth, and there are times when he's trying to win a game. And the latter is when he gets out of his head about it and just plays football.

Then you get into the playoffs and it's far more Kelce, far more DHop, getting out of the pocket more to create the dual threat of taking off... just anything to keep the chains moving.

We all saw what happened in the Bucs SB... he ran for 10 miles behind the LoS and was still hitting guys 40 yards downfield (even if balls were going through hands and bouncing off helmets). Pressure only does so much.

This post rocks. It’s everything I’ve been thinking but haven’t been able to get out in the way you just did.

It really felt like today he decided, **** it, IDC what the circumstances suggest, I’m going to hit on some deep throws. At a minimum I’m going to at least look for them as primary reads often.

So many of these regular season games for the offense do have a practice-y feel to them.

But if they start rolling in the playoffs it’s gonna be because they just locked the **** in and started playing free.