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DiscoJones · 05-09-2001, 01:12 PM

Mr. Milosevic...er....I mean Mr. Frazod,

We will take care of those ethnic Albanians....er...I mean ethnic Mexicans for you in no time.

Ethnic cleansing begins in t-minus 5 minutes....

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Interesting similarities between this discussion and the conflict that our country was involved in. Okay, so how many of you who support Fraz supported what we were doing in Yugoslavia?

Fraz's ideas may not be as militant, but it looks to me like many of you would not be opposed to more militant measures.

Just observations, so please avoid pressing me into your political paradigms.

Stick and move.....

KCTitus · 05-09-2001, 01:31 PM

Im having trouble seeing the similarities, Disco.

In Yugoslavia, one side was killing the other, but both sides were residents of the same country just different races. The U.S. policy was to not give guns to the bosnians to defend themselves so they were systematically destroyed by the serbs.

Fraz's comments were with regard to illegal aliens in the country illegally and wanting to protect the U.S. borders against illegal immigration.

Am I missing something?

DiscoJones · 05-09-2001, 01:45 PM

Titus - Don't forget about the part where U.S. servicemen and women carried out bombings against the Serbs - this is the key issue. People were so intent on protecting the ethnic Albanians; however, they are not so content protecting the ethnic Mexicans in their own back yard.

So here's the real question....How do you differentiate between ethnic Mexicans, Mexican-Americans, and illegal Mexicans? I hope you know, because I sure as heck don't and I don't think that Fraz does either.

Sweeping nationalistic generalizations about ethnic ______ (fill in the blank) do not make the distinction either. And stop me if I'm wrong here, but I'm willing to bet that most of the people in Fraz's neighborhood (which he so eloquently complains about - good thing he finally learned that he has the right to move) are indistinguishable as legal/illegal. And I get the impression that Fraz could care less if they were legal or not as long as they weren't collecting federal subsidies. Like I said a long time ago, this country will be in the same predicament as the Serbs once the Texicans are a larger portion of the country. Many people have already begun to express this sentiment on this post.

And who complains about speaking Spanish when they live in a place named Los Angeles? Do you refer to your municipality as Angel City?....El Paso...San Diego....San Antonio...what do you expect?

HC_Chief · 05-09-2001, 01:46 PM

LOL - look at the little monkey dance!

Here you go TJ - a dancing peanut, for my sweet little dancing organ-grinder monkey!

KCTitus · 05-09-2001, 01:59 PM

Disco: I think you're attributing to me things I didnt say.

A legal resident should have the ability to prove he/she is a legal resident. Please, lets not go off the deep end here, but what I mean by that is a legal resident should be able to provide birth certificate or something when applying for identification such as DL or SSN.

Is protecting the borders of the U.S. from illegal immigration the same as a civil war in Yugoslavia? Im still having troubles distinguishing.

The U.S. policy, even when Bush Sr. was in office, was to withhold arms from the ethnic albanians to prevent the conflict from escalating, of course all this did was get a lot of them killed in a hurry.

DiscoJones · 05-09-2001, 02:04 PM

Oh and uh FYI Titus -

No offense, but Bosnia & Herzegovina are not part of Yugoslavia (you can check the atlas at www.mapquest.com. The issue was between "Serbs" and "ethnic Albanians". The issue on this thread is between "Americans" and "ethnic Mexicans".

Here's another similarity. Yugoslavia shares its border to the south with Albania while the U.S. shares its border to the south with Mexico.

KCTitus · 05-09-2001, 02:08 PM

uh Disco, maybe you should re-read the earlier posts.

The issue that Fraz was talking about was 'illegal' immigration.

Rick Stephens · 05-09-2001, 02:11 PM

Disco,

I don't think that this thread is about people hating Mexicans. No one is saying to kill these people because they are Mexican. People who come here legally and want to blend into our societyand are productive are not the ones people have a problem with. It is the ones that are here using phoney papers, documents, and green cards and getting the free ride that are the problem. We are a nation of laws. When these people cross the border illegally, then they are a criminal. Should we not enforce the laws of the land?

DiscoJones · 05-09-2001, 02:17 PM

Titus - The first paragraph of my reply regarding the bombings was directed at you. The rest was for anyone.

Regarding your request for "proof". Apparently (according to some on this board), illegals can already obtain DLs and even voter registration cards. How are you going to implement a more thorough check on ALL immigrants and how are you going to fund it? Also, how would you deal with citizens whos parents are illegals? If you get rid of the parents, the state has to raise the kids; if you let the parents stay, you will still have illegals coming here, having kids, and hanging around.

DiscoJones · 05-09-2001, 02:23 PM

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It is the ones that are here using phoney papers, documents, and green cards and getting the free ride that are the problem.

And I don't understand how you people propose to solve this problem. It seems to me that adding additional responsibilities to the INS will increase federal reach as well as you taxes.

Still nobody has answered Oleman's original inquiry with regard to diistinguishing between legal/illegal. Further, I don't think that anyone has even touched on a solution to Fraz's neighborhood problem which he publicized so well. What are you going to do if all those drug dealers and Mexican nationalists are actually U.S. citizens?

KCTitus · 05-09-2001, 02:27 PM

they are not so content protecting the ethnic Mexicans in their own back yard. - I found this in the first paragraph, apparently directed at me. Feel free to point me to my quote where I stated this.

First, we need to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants. Legal immigrants will not have any problems obtaining a DL, Voter registration cards, etc.

Illegal immigrants should have a tougher time obtaining the identification that shows they are a legal resident unless they go through the proper channels. No amount of laws will solve this problem since an illegal is not going to comply with the law since he is breaking the law.

DiscoJones · 05-09-2001, 02:31 PM

Quote:

People were so intent on protecting the ethnic Albanians; however, they are not so content protecting the ethnic Mexicans in their own back yard.

Please note that I said "people" not "you" or "Titus". Also I said "they are not" as opposed to "Titus is not" or "you are not".

I hope this helps you.

I was just making an observation. I'm not trying to argue with anyone, just making observations and trying to draw some constructive conclusions while looking at the issues in a little more depth than right vs. left, us vs. them, etc.. I would hope that you will agree with me that, at the time, the majority of Americans supported the U.S.'s actions in Yugoslavia and Macedonia.

KCTitus · 05-09-2001, 02:36 PM

Titus - The first paragraph of my reply regarding the bombings was directed at you.

Oh, well this comment threw me off...you see you used 'Titus' and 'directed at you' so I thought thats what you meant.

I guess Im beginning to understand....words dont mean things.

I would agree with you on that point. I, however, disagree with your observation.

Fraz was speaking to illegal immigration. He wasnt talking about rounding up all the mexicans and exterminating them although that's what oleman and TJ portrayed his comments as.

This probably could have been an interesting discussion until TJ jumped on the racist bandwagon and it was downhill from there.

HC_Chief · 05-09-2001, 02:39 PM

I have no problems with immigration. This entire nation is founded on immigration - many scientists believe even the first native Americans immigrated to this continent across the Bering Strait land bridge.

As long as people are productive and can assimilate, let 'em in! I do NOT support welfare for immigrants, however. No matter where they come from (especially those damned Canadians - may their evil hearts burn in hell...)

Come to this country, speak the language, get a job, do your best to achieve the 'American Dream'. That's what most immigrants do anyway. Typically, they just want a better life for their families. If they're willing to work for it, then our country is the best place in the world. If they don't want to do these things, then I hope they have a nice vacation here - then get the %*&$ out and take their kids with them.

DiscoJones · 05-09-2001, 02:44 PM

This is unfortunate Titus. You and I both know that I never said that words don't mean anything. We both should also know that referring to people, they, their, is not a form of direct address. I also never said that I was quoting you. Unfortunately, it looks like you are trying to pick sides (if there even are any) and discredit me instead of coming to a reasonable conclusion.

I tried to be polite in correcting your mistake regarding Bosnia - I could have really unloaded on that one, but I didn't. I thought we were having a discussion.

Let's try this again. So would you agree with me that the majority of U.S. citizens, at the time, supported the U.S. bombings of Yugoslavia?

Would you agree with me that the majority of the sentiment on this thread supports taking some form of action against ethnic Mexicans? It's okay with me if you say no here. Please just try to support your claim with reason instead of insults.

05-09-2001, 01:12 PM	#1
DiscoJones The kick is up, it's GOOD Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Mr. Milosevic...er....I mean Mr. Frazod, We will take care of those ethnic Albanians....er...I mean ethnic Mexicans for you in no time. Ethnic cleansing begins in t-minus 5 minutes.... \|> \| \| Sarcasm Flag Interesting similarities between this discussion and the conflict that our country was involved in. Okay, so how many of you who support Fraz supported what we were doing in Yugoslavia? Fraz's ideas may not be as militant, but it looks to me like many of you would not be opposed to more militant measures. Just observations, so please avoid pressing me into your political paradigms. Stick and move.....
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05-09-2001, 01:31 PM	#2
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	Im having trouble seeing the similarities, Disco. In Yugoslavia, one side was killing the other, but both sides were residents of the same country just different races. The U.S. policy was to not give guns to the bosnians to defend themselves so they were systematically destroyed by the serbs. Fraz's comments were with regard to illegal aliens in the country illegally and wanting to protect the U.S. borders against illegal immigration. Am I missing something?
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05-09-2001, 01:45 PM	#3
DiscoJones The kick is up, it's GOOD Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Titus - Don't forget about the part where U.S. servicemen and women carried out bombings against the Serbs - this is the key issue. People were so intent on protecting the ethnic Albanians; however, they are not so content protecting the ethnic Mexicans in their own back yard. So here's the real question....How do you differentiate between ethnic Mexicans, Mexican-Americans, and illegal Mexicans? I hope you know, because I sure as heck don't and I don't think that Fraz does either. Sweeping nationalistic generalizations about ethnic ______ (fill in the blank) do not make the distinction either. And stop me if I'm wrong here, but I'm willing to bet that most of the people in Fraz's neighborhood (which he so eloquently complains about - good thing he finally learned that he has the right to move) are indistinguishable as legal/illegal. And I get the impression that Fraz could care less if they were legal or not as long as they weren't collecting federal subsidies. Like I said a long time ago, this country will be in the same predicament as the Serbs once the Texicans are a larger portion of the country. Many people have already begun to express this sentiment on this post. And who complains about speaking Spanish when they live in a place named Los Angeles? Do you refer to your municipality as Angel City?....El Paso...San Diego....San Antonio...what do you expect? __________________
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05-09-2001, 01:46 PM	#4
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	LOL - look at the little monkey dance! Here you go TJ - a dancing peanut, for my sweet little dancing organ-grinder monkey!
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05-09-2001, 01:59 PM	#5
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	Disco: I think you're attributing to me things I didnt say. A legal resident should have the ability to prove he/she is a legal resident. Please, lets not go off the deep end here, but what I mean by that is a legal resident should be able to provide birth certificate or something when applying for identification such as DL or SSN. Is protecting the borders of the U.S. from illegal immigration the same as a civil war in Yugoslavia? Im still having troubles distinguishing. The U.S. policy, even when Bush Sr. was in office, was to withhold arms from the ethnic albanians to prevent the conflict from escalating, of course all this did was get a lot of them killed in a hurry. Last edited by KCTitus; 05-09-2001 at 02:05 PM..
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05-09-2001, 02:04 PM	#6
DiscoJones The kick is up, it's GOOD Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Oh and uh FYI Titus - No offense, but Bosnia & Herzegovina are not part of Yugoslavia (you can check the atlas at www.mapquest.com. The issue was between "Serbs" and "ethnic Albanians". The issue on this thread is between "Americans" and "ethnic Mexicans". Here's another similarity. Yugoslavia shares its border to the south with Albania while the U.S. shares its border to the south with Mexico.
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05-09-2001, 02:08 PM	#7
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	uh Disco, maybe you should re-read the earlier posts. The issue that Fraz was talking about was 'illegal' immigration. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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05-09-2001, 02:11 PM	#8
Rick Stephens #1 Chiefs Collector Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Garden Grove, California Casino cash: $10004900	Disco, I don't think that this thread is about people hating Mexicans. No one is saying to kill these people because they are Mexican. People who come here legally and want to blend into our societyand are productive are not the ones people have a problem with. It is the ones that are here using phoney papers, documents, and green cards and getting the free ride that are the problem. We are a nation of laws. When these people cross the border illegally, then they are a criminal. Should we not enforce the laws of the land?
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05-09-2001, 02:17 PM	#9
DiscoJones The kick is up, it's GOOD Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Titus - The first paragraph of my reply regarding the bombings was directed at you. The rest was for anyone. Regarding your request for "proof". Apparently (according to some on this board), illegals can already obtain DLs and even voter registration cards. How are you going to implement a more thorough check on ALL immigrants and how are you going to fund it? Also, how would you deal with citizens whos parents are illegals? If you get rid of the parents, the state has to raise the kids; if you let the parents stay, you will still have illegals coming here, having kids, and hanging around.
Posts: 246

05-09-2001, 02:27 PM	#11
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	they are not so content protecting the ethnic Mexicans in their own back yard. - I found this in the first paragraph, apparently directed at me. Feel free to point me to my quote where I stated this. First, we need to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants. Legal immigrants will not have any problems obtaining a DL, Voter registration cards, etc. Illegal immigrants should have a tougher time obtaining the identification that shows they are a legal resident unless they go through the proper channels. No amount of laws will solve this problem since an illegal is not going to comply with the law since he is breaking the law.
Posts: 26,199

05-09-2001, 02:36 PM	#13
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	Titus - The first paragraph of my reply regarding the bombings was directed at you. Oh, well this comment threw me off...you see you used 'Titus' and 'directed at you' so I thought thats what you meant. I guess Im beginning to understand....words dont mean things. I would agree with you on that point. I, however, disagree with your observation. Fraz was speaking to illegal immigration. He wasnt talking about rounding up all the mexicans and exterminating them although that's what oleman and TJ portrayed his comments as. This probably could have been an interesting discussion until TJ jumped on the racist bandwagon and it was downhill from there.
Posts: 26,199

05-09-2001, 02:39 PM	#14
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	I have no problems with immigration. This entire nation is founded on immigration - many scientists believe even the first native Americans immigrated to this continent across the Bering Strait land bridge. As long as people are productive and can assimilate, let 'em in! I do NOT support welfare for immigrants, however. No matter where they come from (especially those damned Canadians - may their evil hearts burn in hell...) Come to this country, speak the language, get a job, do your best to achieve the 'American Dream'. That's what most immigrants do anyway. Typically, they just want a better life for their families. If they're willing to work for it, then our country is the best place in the world. If they don't want to do these things, then I hope they have a nice vacation here - then get the %&$ out and take their kids with them. Last edited by HC_Chief; 05-09-2001 at 03:07 PM..*
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05-09-2001, 02:44 PM	#15
DiscoJones The kick is up, it's GOOD Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	This is unfortunate Titus. You and I both know that I never said that words don't mean anything. We both should also know that referring to people, they, their, is not a form of direct address. I also never said that I was quoting you. Unfortunately, it looks like you are trying to pick sides (if there even are any) and discredit me instead of coming to a reasonable conclusion. I tried to be polite in correcting your mistake regarding Bosnia - I could have really unloaded on that one, but I didn't. I thought we were having a discussion. Let's try this again. So would you agree with me that the majority of U.S. citizens, at the time, supported the U.S. bombings of Yugoslavia? Would you agree with me that the majority of the sentiment on this thread supports taking some form of action against ethnic Mexicans? It's okay with me if you say no here. Please just try to support your claim with reason instead of insults.
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