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ct · 07-01-2005, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

They have the full and unconditional might of the Russian Empire behind them.

But that has been covert and top secret until just recently. Now that they are 'outed', perhaps all of us 'real' patriots will rise up and squash those commie lovers!

leviw · 07-01-2005, 11:42 AM

To play a cover 2 (almost every f-ing down like '03), do you have to have better safeties than Jerome Woods and Greg Wesley?

Gaz · 07-01-2005, 11:43 AM

In general terms, the Strong Safety is oriented more towards run defense. He often lines up closer to the LOS. The Free Safety is oriented more towards pass defense. He is generally lined up behind the CBs and is the proverbial last ditch defense.

Speaking in very general terms again, the SS is bigger, while the FS is faster.

xoxo~
Gaz
Painfully aware that rules of thumb are of limited value.

**Donger** · 07-01-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

In general terms, the Strong Safety is oriented more towards run defense. He often lines up closer to the LOS. The Free Safety is oriented more towards pass defense. He is generally lined up behind the CBs and is the proverbial last ditch defense.

Speaking in very general terms again, the SS is bigger, while the FS is faster.

xoxo~
Gaz
Painfully aware that rules of thumb are of limited value.

Thank you Gaz. I just found a Football For Dummies site that goes over all this. I can't believe I never looked before.

**Rausch** · 07-01-2005, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

In general terms, the Strong Safety is oriented more towards run defense. He often lines up closer to the LOS. The Free Safety is oriented more towards pass defense. He is generally lined up behind the CBs and is the proverbial last ditch defense.

Speaking in very general terms again, the SS is bigger, while the FS is faster.

xoxo~
Gaz
Painfully aware that rules of thumb are of limited value.

Unless we're talking about the Chiefs, where a safety may line up at any number of defensive positions and back up roles.

And the only thing I don't "get" is QB rating. I've had it explained to me but WHY they use the system they do to get QB rating mystifies me...

ct · 07-01-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Unless we're talking about the Chiefs, where a safety may line up at any number of defensive positions and back up roles.

And the only thing I don't "get" is QB rating. I've had it explained to me but WHY they use the system they do to get QB rating mystifies me...

Not that anyone cares, but I feel the English metric system is stupid.

12 inches = 1 foot
3 feet = 1 yard
5,218 feet = 1 mile

Huh?

But even more athanine is a perfect score of 152.3 (or some equally idiotic figure close by).

WTF?

**Reaper16** · 07-01-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by coryt

Not that anyone cares, but I feel the English metric system is stupid.

12 inches = 1 foot
3 feet = 1 yard
5,218 feet = 1 mile

Huh?

But even more athanine is a perfect score of 152.3 (or some equally idiotic figure close by).

WTF?

That makes no sense.

Inches, feet, stc. are a product of the American measuring system, not the superior metric system. Also, athanine isn't close to being a word. You're probably looking for "asinine."

g0 back to elementary sk00l, am I rite, lolomg!?!1

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 07-23-2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

In general terms, the Strong Safety is oriented more towards run defense. He often lines up closer to the LOS. The Free Safety is oriented more towards pass defense. He is generally lined up behind the CBs and is the proverbial last ditch defense.

Speaking in very general terms again, the SS is bigger, while the FS is faster.

xoxo~
Gaz
Painfully aware that rules of thumb are of limited value.

I miss this guy. And I barely knew of him.

**Lzen** · 07-01-2005, 11:43 AM

What is the meaning of life?

keg in kc · 07-01-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

What is the meaning of life?

42?

whoman69 · 07-01-2005, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

42?

Hey, I'm 42. Does that mean I've found the answer?

**Lzen** · 07-01-2005, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Hey, I'm 42. Does that mean I've found the answer?

If you had found the answer, you wouldn't be asking. Now would you?

ct · 07-01-2005, 11:47 AM

Perhaps a Salary Cap 101 would be helpful to many.

Gaz · 07-01-2005, 11:48 AM

The primary difference between a CB and a Safety is that the CB’s primary objective is pass defense, while the Safeties [particularly the SS] are both pass and run defense. This is a very broad brush I am using here, as CBs are often used in run defense or in blitz packages. But as a rule of thumb, it is sound.

You could categorize Safeties as backups to the LB & CB positions in run and pass defense, respectively.

CBs must be quick and able to cover a WR.
SSs must be big hitters, as they often come up in run Defense.
FSs must be fast enough to cover ground and help out the CBs.

Clear as mud?

xoxo~
Gaz
Trying to help.

beer bacon · 07-01-2005, 11:58 AM

I have a couple questions. One might be unanswerable at this point in time, but the other should be fine. The first relates to our defense and specifically to a question I posted earlier this week.

The first is how exactly is the whole Right LB and Left LB going to/already does work for us? How does Gun really manage his LBs? For example, if Bell and DJ are the two starting OLBs, will they usually be staying on their respective sides or will they move around a lot? Would DJ usually move over and to the strong side over the TE and Bell over to the weakside where he can come off the edge easier? Or will they usually keep the LB on his respective side. This may be impossible to answer since they haven't actually lined up at all yet, but I am also wondering in more general terms about Gun's tendencies. I think Keg told me in the other thread that Gun will usually move them to where ever they can best take advantage of matchups, but I never really requested for him to flesh that anymore.

The other question is about the 46 defense the Ravens going to be employing. The way I understand is that you only have two LBs with five guys on the line with another safety playing up close to the LoS similar to an LB? Are the CBs just basically on an island? What are the linemen's responsibilities? I have quite a few articles about the Ravens making the switch, but they never really fully explain how the 46 defense works out. They are always talking about how it will effect/what a specific player's, usually Ray Lewis, role will be.

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Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	As to CB Vs S... The primary difference between a CB and a Safety is that the CB’s primary objective is pass defense, while the Safeties [particularly the SS] are both pass and run defense. This is a very broad brush I am using here, as CBs are often used in run defense or in blitz packages. But as a rule of thumb, it is sound. You could categorize Safeties as backups to the LB & CB positions in run and pass defense, respectively. CBs must be quick and able to cover a WR. SSs must be big hitters, as they often come up in run Defense. FSs must be fast enough to cover ground and help out the CBs. Clear as mud? xoxo~ Gaz Trying to help.
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beer bacon WHAT Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10019545	I have a couple questions. One might be unanswerable at this point in time, but the other should be fine. The first relates to our defense and specifically to a question I posted earlier this week. The first is how exactly is the whole Right LB and Left LB going to/already does work for us? How does Gun really manage his LBs? For example, if Bell and DJ are the two starting OLBs, will they usually be staying on their respective sides or will they move around a lot? Would DJ usually move over and to the strong side over the TE and Bell over to the weakside where he can come off the edge easier? Or will they usually keep the LB on his respective side. This may be impossible to answer since they haven't actually lined up at all yet, but I am also wondering in more general terms about Gun's tendencies. I think Keg told me in the other thread that Gun will usually move them to where ever they can best take advantage of matchups, but I never really requested for him to flesh that anymore. The other question is about the 46 defense the Ravens going to be employing. The way I understand is that you only have two LBs with five guys on the line with another safety playing up close to the LoS similar to an LB? Are the CBs just basically on an island? What are the linemen's responsibilities? I have quite a few articles about the Ravens making the switch, but they never really fully explain how the 46 defense works out. They are always talking about how it will effect/what a specific player's, usually Ray Lewis, role will be.
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