Saunders-haters: Why NOT Al?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Brock

Ain't gonna happen.

yea ... well, that's a completely different question


if it takes dropping everyone to get new defensive coaches then buh-bye to Al.


but if these defensive coaches stay then it has nothing to do with AL and everything to do with Carl.

[Mr. Laz]

top 3 offense for almost his entire tenure and he did it without a stud receiver.


not bad in my book

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Laz

top 3 offense for almost his entire tenure and he did it without a stud receiver.


not bad in my book

Nice work.

[Simplex3]

My problem with AS isn't that he is a terrible coach. My problem is that we can't get rid of ALL the players, but if you keep players and coaches but send a few coaches packing what have you really changed? The only way a current Chiefs coach can win the players back would be to take the job, unmercifully fire every other coach, then become a different person than they were when DV was here. I don't see AS doing that because of his loyalty to DV.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

My problem with AS isn't that he is a terrible coach. My problem is that we can't get rid of ALL the players, but if you keep players and coaches but send a few coaches packing what have you really changed? The only way a current Chiefs coach can win the players back would be to take the job, unmercifully fire every other coach, then become a different person than they were when DV was here. I don't see AS doing that because of his loyalty to DV.

I say change a lot of the coaches and players. Keep the ones who've been successful is what I'm saying....

I'd say 10-12 players need cut; and an equal number of coaches....I think that would go along way toward "righting" the ship, if those cut are the ones deserving of being shown the door:

Bartee, Bell, Woods, Hicks, etc.....Guinta, Dean, Hairston, etc.....maybe Wesley and Sims, maybe Gun and Karmelowicz....

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

I say change a lot of the coaches and players. Keep the ones who've been successful is what I'm saying....

I'd say 10-12 players need cut; and an equal number of coaches....I think that would go along way toward "righting" the ship, if those cut are the ones deserving of being shown the door:

Bartee, Bell, Woods, Hicks, etc.....Guinta, Dean, Hairston, etc.....maybe Wesley and Sims, maybe Gun and Karmelowicz....

I think the current stench is contagious. Anyone who has been here for the whole thing and has been one of DV's guys is infected and needs to go. If not then the stench may be knocked down a notch but it will continue to breed and reappear at the worst possible time.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

I think the current stench is contagious. Anyone who has been here for the whole thing and has been one of DV's guys is infected and needs to go. If not then the stench may be knocked down a notch but it will continue to breed and reappear at the worst possible time.

Pretty much how I feel.

Alas, if Carl Peterson stays the entire tumor has not been excised and it will just grow back.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Pretty much how I feel.

Alas, if Carl Peterson stays the entire tumor has not been excised and it will just grow back.

I pretty much agree with that; but CP, apparently, is going NO WHERE.

How do we make the best of a bad situation then? Keep Saunders as HC, and gut the entire defensive coaching staff.....adding a few key players in the draft and FA.

In today's NFL, that might be enough...

[htismaqe]

Carl will hire Gunther to be HC before Al, so it's all moot anyway.

[chiefz]

Just for the record, I don't hate Saunders and I think he's a good offensive coordinator even though I do think he makes some bad decisions from time to time in situations where he expects perfect execution when its not likely.

I just don't really want to have another, perhaps even more offensive minded coach and continue on this greatest show on grass path with no defense to back it up.

We've spent so much money on offense over the years that we rarely had money to spend on defensive talent and for whatever reason most of it that we brought in stunk.

I'm also not real sure how well the current offense will work without extremely talented and atheletic linemen like Shields and Roaf who will eventually retire.

I would just rather have Saunders as a coordinator with a head coach that was geared towards fixing the defense while keeping the running game in tact.

I would really hate to go through what the Rams went through post Vermeil with an over anxious offensive coordinator that thought he could outwit everyone.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefz

I would just rather have Saunders as a coordinator with a head coach that was geared towards fixing the defense while keeping the running game in tact.

i doubt that's gonna happen

we aren't going to keep saunders has OC and go out and hire a Head coach.


we either promote Al or he's gone imo ... been too many teams snooping around about giving him a HC chance.

[picasso]

I believe that what happened in NY has a lot to do with offense as well as the defense. Al ran LJ on the left side or up the middle constantly but more to the left behind Roaf on the weak side. When they ran on the right side (the side that Welbourn was manhandling Strahan), the strong side, LJ had space to work with and made some great gains but that was to far and few between. The obsession that Al gets with a specific package is exhausting and at best futile. It tends to narrow the opportunities to succeed for our offense. It showed in the Buffalo game, the conservativeness of the paralell package inserted in the 2nd half of the Philly game, and it killed us in NY Saturday. His lack of trust in what hasn't yet been proven has been the Chiefs demise. The defense on the other hand, each individual in each position has to be trusted to do their part and the culmination of both failures Saturday spelled disaster for us. I do not want Saunders as a HC for the Chiefs for that reason. I want DV to retire and we need to clean house of the assistant defensive coaches and allow Gunther to hire his own. I like Gunther, his aggresiveness, his fire and passion. We need an offensive minded head coach that allows Trent to also call his own audibles and make changes on the line. We need a deep threat receiver to draw the attention from our TE's and make LBs drop back to allow space for LJ to cut and run. And quite possibly a QB that has the deep ball threat that Trent doesn't have.

[siberian khatru]

I'd like to know in DV's tenure here how many red-zone turnovers we've had, and how many came on passing plays (INT or sack/fumble).

And I'd like to know how many were in 2001 and how many since.

[Amnorix]

IMHo there's alot to be said for continuity for an offense that has consistently been among the best over the past few years, rather than restarting with someone else's scheme.

One side of the ball works. Keep that part. Fix the part that doesn't.

[Lurch]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

IMHo there's alot to be said for continuity for an offense that has consistently been among the best over the past few years, rather than restarting with someone else's scheme.

One side of the ball works. Keep that part. Fix the part that doesn't.

Unfortunately, given the how this FO operates, I'm not sure we can hire Saunders as HC, and dump most or all of the defensive guys. If we can, I think that should be option number one.