Patriots are confusing me

[jspchief]

So where is the Rufus/Gretz article about how good teams don't spend big money on FAs?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by jspchief

So where is the Rufus/Gretz article about how good teams don't spend big money on FAs?

Would it help if I pointed out that the Thomas and Welker deals, together, are only a very few million more than the insane deals that the Browns paid Steinbach, or that the other guys paid that other guard (sorry, forgetting who) at $49M and $49.5M?

And that Thomas is less than half, and Welker less than 25%, of the nominal contract amount that the Niners signed Clements for.

Or, the fact that the Thomas contract represents less of the cap, as a percentage, as the Pats signing of Rosevelt Colvin in 2003?

[CupidStunt]

Hilarious spin by the Pats homer but Welker isn't worth a second and seventh. Period.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by lj4mvp

Hilarious spin by the Pats homer but Welker isn't worth a second and seventh. Period.

How many guys drafted at the end of the 2nd round, over the last X years do you like better than a guy who led his team last year in punt returns, kickoff returns and total catches?

And who by the way is 25 and a sparkplug of energy.

Finally, keep in mind that the Patriots are a team with very few weaknesses. Fix those few weaknesses, and we are not just in the Super Bowl hunt, but we are a favorite (especially as the super-talented Chargers have imploded on the coaching front).
WR is one of those weaknesses.

We traded a 4th round pick a few years ago to Chicago for Ted Washington, and won a SB with him manning the middle as no one else could for us. He WAS a key, and even though he played for us for one stinking year, I never regretted that trade.

[CupidStunt]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

How many guys drafted at the end of the 2nd round, over the last X years do you like better than a guy who led his team last year in punt returns, kickoff returns and total catches?

The Dolphins. And catches aren't important as yards - 687. 10.3 ypc? Embarrassing. 1 TD? Haha.

You keep telling yourself it's a great trade.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by lj4mvp

The Dolphins. And catches aren't important as yards - 687. 10.3 ypc? Embarrassing. 1 TD? Haha.

You keep telling yourself it's a great trade.

What part of slot receiver/possession receiver, speedy little scatback guy do you not get? Oh yeah, and let's not forget he had mediocre QBs and an average-at-best (not even) offense to work with all around. Or don't you think he'll do a bit better with Brady than the Miami bozo QBs he's had to work with lately?

And he's a midget, like many Pats WRs. Name me the last Pats WR who had 10 TDs in a season anyway without looking it up.

Jesus...

[Mile High Mania]

Amnorix, that is indeed good spin on the Welker piece.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Amnorix, that is indeed good spin on the Welker piece.

[Mile High Mania]

Ok ... comparing a trade for Ted Washington (proven) to a trade for Wes "who" Welker? You're going to serious pull something if you continue reaching like that. (heh)

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ok ... comparing a trade for Ted Washington (proven) to a trade for Wes "who" Welker? You're going to serious pull something if you continue reaching like that. (heh)

Let me back up. Pioli and Belichick have won 3 Super Bowls in the last 5 years, been to the AFC Championship Game, losing in the final minute another time, and went to the playoffs losing in the 2nd round another year. 6 years, 5 playoffs, never a one-and-done, and 3 Superbowls.

What have you done to prove your NFL bona fides so you can tell me why they're wrong and you're right that they overpaid, or that the trade wasn't worth it?

Let me say this -- Patriots Nation, which has SEEN Welker play, and play well, against us and others, is overwhelmingly in favor of this. If Broncos fans think we got gypped, I'm sure I'll survive your disfavor.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Let me back up. Pioli and Belichick have won 3 Super Bowls in the last 5 years, been to the AFC Championship Game, losing in the final minute another time, and went to the playoffs losing in the 2nd round another year. 6 years, 5 playoffs, never a one-and-done, and 3 Superbowls.

What have you done to prove your NFL bona fides so you can tell me why they're wrong and you're right that they overpaid, or that the trade wasn't worth it?

Let me say this -- Patriots Nation, which has SEEN Welker play, and play well, against us and others, is overwhelmingly in favor of this. If Broncos fans think we got gypped, I'm sure I'll survive your disfavor.

Good lord.

Welker is a 3rd year guy... he had only 7 games with more than 50 yards in 2006 and no more than 77 yards in any game. The NE method of late is to get a bunch of "guys" at WR and see which one produces from week to week. Not bad, but again... the $ is a bit out of whack to me. If that is a hell of a deal for Patriots Nation, then cool.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

If that is a hell of a deal for Patriots Nation, then cool.

Nobody said that it was a hell of a deal. Just that the overwhelming majority of votes are ok with this deal, because we think Welker is a potentially solid contributor on both offense and STs, and helps to fill several pretty obvious needs. With Maroney being the featured back, we need a kick returner. He can do that. We need more good WRs, and he is one of those. He's young. He fits the bill.

Is it a GREAT deal or some kind of steal? No. Clearly not.

[2112]

From what I heard from Patriot posters on another site..Bellichick got so pissed off about blowing a 21 point lead against the Colts that he is taking drastic actions..he was still whining about blowing that lead at the pro bowl..that's why they signed Adelius Thomas and are being so aggressive..and going against the Patriot Reign philosophy.

The Welker signing/trade I don't get..he's a decent kick returner..but to give uop a 2nd round pick?I don't know.

[jspchief]

Look at the Patriots resume. They are incapable of making bad player personnel moves.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Look at the Patriots resume. They are incapable of making bad player personnel moves.

If only that were true. But I think they get a VERY STRONG benefit of the doubt in advance, due to their track record.