Time to trade Jared Allen... - Page 10

Chiefnj · 03-29-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I love reading the way some of you guys talk about him. It's like he's a combination of Bruce Smith and Reggie White with some Derrick Thomas thrown in.

When in reality his performance so far is exactly 1 sack better than Eric Hicks from 2000-2002.

DT put up great numbers playing next to Eric Hicks, Ryan Sims and Junior Siavii.

Hammock Parties · 03-29-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

DT put up great numbers playing next to Eric Hicks, Ryan Sims and Junior Siavii.

WTF?

unothadeal · 03-29-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

WTF?

I think he meant to put a "?" instead of a "."

Chiefnj · 03-29-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

WTF?

My point is that it is silly to compare Allen with DT when DT played next to Smith, Saleamua and Maas his first few years in the league. I'm sure DT's production wouldn't have been the same playing next to the caliber of players that Allen has had to line up with.

Hammock Parties · 03-29-2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

My point is that it is silly to compare Allen with DT when DT played next to Smith, Saleamua and Maas his first few years in the league. I'm sure DT's production wouldn't have been the same playing next to the caliber of players that Allen has had to line up with.

Yeah, I realized that shortly after going off half-cocked.

Allen would easily get 15 sacks on a D-line like the one in Carolina, IMO.

trndobrd · 03-29-2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I love reading the way some of you guys talk about him. It's like he's a combination of Bruce Smith and Reggie White with some Derrick Thomas thrown in.

When in reality his performance so far is exactly 1 sack better than Eric Hicks from 2000-2002.

Yep, practically the same guy. Has anyone ever seen Eric Hicks and Jarred Allen in the same place at the same time? Let's cut Allen and move Hicks back into that starting spot. Hell, Plummer retired, so we don't need speed to defend the bootleg anymore.

Allen 2004- 2006: 142 tackles/21 Assists/27.5 Sacks/10 forced fumbles/15 passes defended
Hicks 2000-2002: 118 tackles/33 Assists/26.5 Sacks/ 4 forced fumbles/5 passes defended

InChiefsHeaven · 03-29-2007, 09:18 AM

Yeah, you can't just go by sack numbers. I mean, if you are saying he's only a marginal upgrade to Eric Hicks, you are seriously on crack.

keg in kc · 03-29-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Yeah, you can't just go by sack numbers. I mean, if you are saying he's only a marginal upgrade to Eric Hicks, you are seriously on crack.

I'm saying that to this point he's an average player that you guys talk about like he's some kind of budding star. I don't think he's the best end on the team, much less one of the top 15 or 20 ends in the league. That's without even considering the impending suspension or his history of drinking problems. He doesn't deserve a big contract as far as I'm concerned. He hasn't earned it on the field, and even if he had, his behavior off it nullifies that.

Personally I think he's a cult figure in KC because of his personality, more than his production. But that's just my opinion.

Rooster · 03-29-2007, 09:48 AM

FYP

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Personally I think he's a cult figure in KC because he is white, more than his production. But that's just my opinion.

**Bowser** · 03-29-2007, 09:59 AM

So, what's the deal? Do we want him traded because he's holding out, or because he's had off the field issues? If it's because he's holding out, well, that's just stupid. Every franchise tagged player who has held out would then be target for trades. Neil Smith pulled that shit in '93, and he went on to have a pretty good year that year.

If it's because he's gotten in trouble, I think HemiEd hit it - what if we trade him and he ends up a pro bowler while we draft the next Junior Siavii and Snoop Minnis? Yeah, Herm did good with the '06 draft - much better than Vermeil ever did - but I will wait a year or two more before I annoint him a draft day genius.

Allen is a solid, ascending player. Worthy of having a defense built around him along with Hali and DJ. I don't want to see him get traded.

All that being said, I personally believe that nearly any player on a football team is not safe from trade, if the price is right.

keg in kc · 03-29-2007, 09:50 AM

I don't know that I'd disagree with that, either, Rooster, although that wasn't what I was referring to. KC fans always seem to get a woody for white players, although Allen's clearly better than guys like Boerigter or Chris Horn.

Rooster · 03-29-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I don't know that I'd disagree with that, either, Rooster, although that wasn't what I was referring to. KC fans always seem to get a woody for white players, although Allen's clearly better than guys like Boerigter or Chris Horn.

Very true. It was an attempt for a little humor with a dusting of truth on top.

booger · 03-29-2007, 07:36 PM

610 Radio this afternoon. Rhonda Moss reported that she spoke to Jared Allen's agent for 54 mins this afternoon. According to her, Harris, the agent says that Allen refuses to talk long term contracts with the Chiefs anymore. He will not report or sign his contract for the $2.35 M tender until right before camp. He will not report for the off season programs. He claims that 2007 will be Allen's last year in KC. Unless they Franchise tag him. (Fat chance at $9M or so) When the subject of the effect of Allen's 4 game suspension was brought up, the guy allegedly said that it wasn't a big deal because it wouldn't cost the Chiefs any money since they would not have to pay him.

Seems he forgot that it costs the team because he won't be on the Field to play!

If these reports are correct, Allen's agent is poisoning the well. If so, I say trade him if they can get a couple of 2s or better.

Hammock Parties · 03-29-2007, 07:42 PM

I think this is going to ruin our season. I can't believe what a colossal dick Jared Allen is being. After the ****ing stupid shit he pulled, he doesn't deserve a long-term contract. He should be going out of his way to be humble right now. Sign your tender and EARN A LONG TERM CONTRACT. Douchebag.

booger · 03-29-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dances with Goats

I think this is going to ruin our season. I can't believe what a colossal dick Jared Allen is being. After the ****ing stupid shit he pulled, he doesn't deserve a long-term contract. He should be going out of his way to be humble right now. Sign your tender and EARN A LONG TERM CONTRACT. Douchebag.

He deserves $$$ for his on field performance. But with the suspension and recent talk of harsh punishment for off field issues he is being rediculas.

His agent sure seems to have him brainwashed as well.

03-29-2007, 09:18 AM	#7
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $525437	Yeah, you can't just go by sack numbers. I mean, if you are saying he's only a marginal upgrade to Eric Hicks, you are seriously on crack. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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03-29-2007, 09:59 AM	#10
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $-288384	So, what's the deal? Do we want him traded because he's holding out, or because he's had off the field issues? If it's because he's holding out, well, that's just stupid. Every franchise tagged player who has held out would then be target for trades. Neil Smith pulled that shit in '93, and he went on to have a pretty good year that year. If it's because he's gotten in trouble, I think HemiEd hit it - what if we trade him and he ends up a pro bowler while we draft the next Junior Siavii and Snoop Minnis? Yeah, Herm did good with the '06 draft - much better than Vermeil ever did - but I will wait a year or two more before I annoint him a draft day genius. Allen is a solid, ascending player. Worthy of having a defense built around him along with Hali and DJ. I don't want to see him get traded. All that being said, I personally believe that nearly any player on a football team is not safe from trade, if the price is right.
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03-29-2007, 09:50 AM	#11
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I don't know that I'd disagree with that, either, Rooster, although that wasn't what I was referring to. KC fans always seem to get a woody for white players, although Allen's clearly better than guys like Boerigter or Chris Horn.
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03-29-2007, 07:36 PM	#13
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $-2481450	post from Sly @chiefscoalition. 610 Radio this afternoon. Rhonda Moss reported that she spoke to Jared Allen's agent for 54 mins this afternoon. According to her, Harris, the agent says that Allen refuses to talk long term contracts with the Chiefs anymore. He will not report or sign his contract for the $2.35 M tender until right before camp. He will not report for the off season programs. He claims that 2007 will be Allen's last year in KC. Unless they Franchise tag him. (Fat chance at $9M or so) When the subject of the effect of Allen's 4 game suspension was brought up, the guy allegedly said that it wasn't a big deal because it wouldn't cost the Chiefs any money since they would not have to pay him. Seems he forgot that it costs the team because he won't be on the Field to play! If these reports are correct, Allen's agent is poisoning the well. If so, I say trade him if they can get a couple of 2s or better. __________________ 1 Thessalonians 5:3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” KJV
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03-29-2007, 07:42 PM	#14
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $720478	I think this is going to ruin our season. I can't believe what a colossal dick Jared Allen is being. After the ****ing stupid shit he pulled, he doesn't deserve a long-term contract. He should be going out of his way to be humble right now. Sign your tender and EARN A LONG TERM CONTRACT. Douchebag. __________________ Chiefs game films
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