Time to trade Jared Allen... - Page 3

**HemiEd** · 03-29-2007, 07:57 AM

I watched the Thanksgiving game over last night. I would suggest anyone that has let the off season get to them, watch that game over. The reason I picked that game, I only have two saved on my DVR and can not get past the introductions on the playoff game.

Jared Allen dominated the first half of that game, he was a major influence on the outcome. He was everywhere, fun to watch again.

People that think we can just plug another draft choice in an go, are nuts IMO.

He is one of the better DEs in the history of the Chiefs, and we want to let him go over possible suspensions? Nuts I tell you, that is just nuts. Jared Allen needs to remain a Chief.

beer bacon · 03-28-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

I don't blame him for doing this. It's all about using whatever leverage they have to get the best deal they can.

Step #1 to getting best deal you possibly can: Don't be a douchebag that constantly gets arrested for driving around drunk.

booger · 03-28-2007, 09:40 AM

NFL meetings
No Trent Green takers so far
Peterson suggests the Chiefs might hold on to their quarterback at least until the draft.
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
PHOENIX | Trent Green appears destined to remain with the Chiefs when the NFL meetings conclude today.

At the current pace of negotiations with potential trade partners Miami and Detroit, Green will be a Chief for quite some time.

Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson huddled briefly with his Detroit counterpart, Matt Millen, on Tuesday. The two agreed to continue the conversations later.

But Peterson has yet to speak in Arizona with Miami general manager Randy Mueller.

“He’s not been in the same meetings I’m in,” Peterson said. “Matt is. I’m going to make a real point to get together with Mueller.”

Peterson indicated the Chiefs may hold on to Green until the draft in late April.

“You have to have something to create a decision,” he said. “Usually, that’s the draft if you’re talking about draft choices. That’s what happened with the (Patrick) Surtain deal. It happened six years ago when we traded for Trent Green.”

The Chiefs and Dolphins were far apart in trade talks. The Chiefs asked for a second-round draft pick in return for Green. Miami offered a seventh-round pick.

•CHIEFS WON’T CHANGE DEFENSIVE SYSTEM: The Chiefs are loading up at linebacker, having signed free agents Donnie Edwards and Napoleon Harris. They are still short at defensive tackle, even after adding Alfonso Boone and re-signing Ron Edwards and Jimmy Wilkerson.

It’s easy to speculate that the Chiefs are planning to switch to the 3-4 alignment as their base defense. They will still rely mainly on the Cover 2 system favored by coach Herm Edwards but might use the 3-4 as a change of pace.

“We can get into that, do it as a different look,” Edwards said.

Donnie Edwards and Harris will join Derrick Johnson as the starting linebackers. Edwards excels in pass coverage, Johnson is a good pass rusher, and Harris is fast, allowing him to cover plenty of ground quickly.

All are capable of playing in the nickel defense, which presents an interesting issue for the Chiefs. Which one comes out on passing downs? Or will the Chiefs use all three?

“That’s a good problem to have,” defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham said. “The good thing is that we’ve got the players. The tough thing is figuring out how to keep them all on the field.”

The Chiefs are planning to load up at defensive tackle in the draft next month, selecting one and perhaps two players at the position.

•ALLEN WON’T BE AT OFFSEASON WORKOUTS: Ken Harris, the agent for defensive end Jared Allen, said his client won’t participate when the Chiefs begin their offseason program Monday.

“To my knowledge, I don’t think he plans to be back in Kansas City until training camp,” Harris said.

That means Allen also wouldn’t participate in the only offseason event that’s mandatory for most players, the three-day minicamp in early June. It wouldn’t be mandatory for Allen, who doesn’t have a contract.

Harris indicated that Allen probably wouldn’t sign the one-year, $2.35 million contract offer he has from the Chiefs until shortly before the start of camp. Allen is unhappy with contract negotiations with the Chiefs and has said he wants a trade.

•MITCHELL SIGNS WITH GIANTS: As expected, the New York Giants signed Kawika Mitchell, a free-agent linebacker who led the Chiefs in tackles the last two seasons.

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| Star news services contributed to this report

ct · 03-28-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by trndobrd

What has Allen actually said? Anyone seen any quotes from the man hisself, not the agent.

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Originally Posted by booger

•ALLEN WON’T BE AT OFFSEASON WORKOUTS: Ken Harris, the agent for defensive end Jared Allen, said his client won’t participate when the Chiefs begin their offseason program Monday.

“To my knowledge, I don’t think he plans to be back in Kansas City until training camp,” Harris said.

That means Allen also wouldn’t participate in the only offseason event that’s mandatory for most players, the three-day minicamp in early June. It wouldn’t be mandatory for Allen, who doesn’t have a contract.

Harris indicated that Allen probably wouldn’t sign the one-year, $2.35 million contract offer he has from the Chiefs until shortly before the start of camp. Allen is unhappy with contract negotiations with the Chiefs and has said he wants a trade.

| Star news services contributed to this report

Allen's agent say "blah blah blah".

If somebody offered a 2nd+3rd, or a nice move up in the 1st and a later pick (say replacing our missing 4th), I'd do it. Done deal.

crazycoffey · 03-28-2007, 09:41 AM

No, tell him it's time to take off his diaper and he'll get paid, they are trying to get money done before the suspension, another good wait move by Carl......

Splat420 · 03-28-2007, 09:43 AM

03-28-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

No, tell him it's time to take off his diaper and he'll get paid, they are trying to get money done before the suspension, another good wait move by Carl......

If he's suspended 4 games then 25% of his tender will never be paid. So, if his tender is $2 mill, he'll lose $500k. That's an expensive DUI.

crazycoffey · 03-28-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

If he's suspended 4 games then 25% of his tender will never be paid. So, if his tender is $2 mill, he'll lose $500k. That's an expensive DUI.

right, but doesn't it also make sense (for both sides really) to understand what the suspension is going to be? Not only for Allen's sake - so he can understand what he's going to make, but also for Carl's and the team's sake - to use in the negotiations, you are missing two games, we will pay you close to what you want, or you are missing 4-6 games, no way we pay you what you want, your off the field actions are costing us games.....

Chiefnj · 03-28-2007, 09:45 AM

Big deal.

This is what happens when someone is tagged or tendered.

htismaqe · 03-28-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Big deal.

This is what happens when someone is tagged or tendered.

It does happen.

But very rarely can you actually GET the compensation that's due for a tendered player.

In this case, we have a very REAL possibility of getting two reasonably high picks for Allen.

Bootlegged · 03-28-2007, 09:51 AM

I say pay him. We don't need to be trading proven, young playmakers.

htismaqe · 03-28-2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bootlegged

I say pay him. We don't need to be trading proven, young playmakers.

Even if they're on the verge of missing at least 1/4 of a season and aren't interested in being part of the team?

booger · 03-28-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Even if they're on the verge of missing at least 1/4 of a season and aren't interested in being part of the team?

You need to call up Holthus and see what he says. Then tell us the scoop.

Chiefnj · 03-28-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Even if they're on the verge of missing at least 1/4 of a season and aren't interested in being part of the team?

Why isn't he interested in being part of the team?

Chiefnj · 03-28-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It does happen.

But very rarely can you actually GET the compensation that's due for a tendered player.

In this case, we have a very REAL possibility of getting two reasonably high picks for Allen.

They could get probably get a 2nd and 3rd. Is it worth it for the best defensive player? You've got to use at least one of those picks to try to replace him, plus your thin at the position to start with.

Pay the man. Give him bonuses tied into games played and/or have clauses about not getting paid if suspended, etc.

03-28-2007, 09:40 AM	#3
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $-2441450	NFL meetings No Trent Green takers so far Peterson suggests the Chiefs might hold on to their quarterback at least until the draft. By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star PHOENIX \| Trent Green appears destined to remain with the Chiefs when the NFL meetings conclude today. At the current pace of negotiations with potential trade partners Miami and Detroit, Green will be a Chief for quite some time. Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson huddled briefly with his Detroit counterpart, Matt Millen, on Tuesday. The two agreed to continue the conversations later. But Peterson has yet to speak in Arizona with Miami general manager Randy Mueller. “He’s not been in the same meetings I’m in,” Peterson said. “Matt is. I’m going to make a real point to get together with Mueller.” Peterson indicated the Chiefs may hold on to Green until the draft in late April. “You have to have something to create a decision,” he said. “Usually, that’s the draft if you’re talking about draft choices. That’s what happened with the (Patrick) Surtain deal. It happened six years ago when we traded for Trent Green.” The Chiefs and Dolphins were far apart in trade talks. The Chiefs asked for a second-round draft pick in return for Green. Miami offered a seventh-round pick. •CHIEFS WON’T CHANGE DEFENSIVE SYSTEM: The Chiefs are loading up at linebacker, having signed free agents Donnie Edwards and Napoleon Harris. They are still short at defensive tackle, even after adding Alfonso Boone and re-signing Ron Edwards and Jimmy Wilkerson. It’s easy to speculate that the Chiefs are planning to switch to the 3-4 alignment as their base defense. They will still rely mainly on the Cover 2 system favored by coach Herm Edwards but might use the 3-4 as a change of pace. “We can get into that, do it as a different look,” Edwards said. Donnie Edwards and Harris will join Derrick Johnson as the starting linebackers. Edwards excels in pass coverage, Johnson is a good pass rusher, and Harris is fast, allowing him to cover plenty of ground quickly. All are capable of playing in the nickel defense, which presents an interesting issue for the Chiefs. Which one comes out on passing downs? Or will the Chiefs use all three? “That’s a good problem to have,” defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham said. “The good thing is that we’ve got the players. The tough thing is figuring out how to keep them all on the field.” The Chiefs are planning to load up at defensive tackle in the draft next month, selecting one and perhaps two players at the position. •ALLEN WON’T BE AT OFFSEASON WORKOUTS: Ken Harris, the agent for defensive end Jared Allen, said his client won’t participate when the Chiefs begin their offseason program Monday. “To my knowledge, I don’t think he plans to be back in Kansas City until training camp,” Harris said. That means Allen also wouldn’t participate in the only offseason event that’s mandatory for most players, the three-day minicamp in early June. It wouldn’t be mandatory for Allen, who doesn’t have a contract. Harris indicated that Allen probably wouldn’t sign the one-year, $2.35 million contract offer he has from the Chiefs until shortly before the start of camp. Allen is unhappy with contract negotiations with the Chiefs and has said he wants a trade. •MITCHELL SIGNS WITH GIANTS: As expected, the New York Giants signed Kawika Mitchell, a free-agent linebacker who led the Chiefs in tackles the last two seasons. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \| Star news services contributed to this report __________________ 1 Thessalonians 5:3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” KJV
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Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	Big deal. This is what happens when someone is tagged or tendered. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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03-29-2007, 07:57 AM	#1
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $-549436	I watched the Thanksgiving game over last night. I would suggest anyone that has let the off season get to them, watch that game over. The reason I picked that game, I only have two saved on my DVR and can not get past the introductions on the playoff game. Jared Allen dominated the first half of that game, he was a major influence on the outcome. He was everywhere, fun to watch again. People that think we can just plug another draft choice in an go, are nuts IMO. He is one of the better DEs in the history of the Chiefs, and we want to let him go over possible suspensions? Nuts I tell you, that is just nuts. Jared Allen needs to remain a Chief.
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