NFL Primetime's take on our troubles - Page 3

KCFalcon59 · 10-08-2007, 04:22 PM

what ****ing holes?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

TEX · 10-08-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

According to ESPN a lot of our problem is LJ. He looks complacent and "he's not stroking it in there like used to." They mentioned his new contract, too. Recommended benching him if that's the effort he gives.

Obviously it's not ALL him, but if you watch the plays he looks timid. He's not always HITTING holes. How responsible is LJ for our rushing game?

He's hitting them, but they're NOT there! Shoot, I'd be timid too if I kept runing into a ****ING brick wall. NONE of our RB's can run. Did they all just forget how? That tells me it's the twisted $hit Pile we call an O-line that's mostly to blame. Plus, if the single back set isn't working - we don't even have a legit NFL FB on the team.

Micjones · 10-08-2007, 05:38 PM

It's a combination of a bunch of bad elements.

1. The offensive linemen aren't currently suited to the running style Edwards wants to employ.

2. Larry Johnson isn't running with the same tenacity.

3. The playcalling in the earlygoing has been very predictable and has forced the Chiefs to have to deal with concentrated run defense efforts.

Halfcan · 10-08-2007, 05:52 PM

Pampers Johnson is 90% of the problem.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-08-2007, 06:03 PM

What's hilarious to me is that Mike Solari was the running game coordinator under Saunders, but he can't coordinate one worth a shit now.

Weiggman is not a legit NFL center anymore. The only holes Welbourn can create are the ones in his arm from his needles.

This right side of the O-line is the worst in the NFL.

KCJohnny · 10-08-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What's hilarious to me is that Mike Solari was the running game coordinator under Saunders, but he can't coordinate one worth a shit now.

Weiggman is not a legit NFL center anymore. The only holes Welbourn can create are the ones in his arm from his needles.

This right side of the O-line is the worst in the NFL.

Some would say the reason he got hired is because of KC's offensive line dominance. this appears to be a classic case of the players making the coach look great.

chiefbowe82 · 10-08-2007, 06:14 PM

i didn't post here

chiefbowe82 · 10-08-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_CHIEFS_06

larry needs to take the ball and run, he takes it and tip toes around and gets gathered up. Take the damn ball and run with it

KC Jones · 10-08-2007, 06:24 PM

LJ is mailing it in. He's not trying to get yards, just shuffling around looking for the huge holes he used to have and going all PMS when they aren't there.

Back when the LJ vs. Holmes debates started, I used to say LJ was the better back for that line, because he had more top end speed and with those huge holes he could get 10+ yards on runs that Holmes was only getting 5-6 on. Now that our O-line isn't very good we could really use a runner like Holmes - someone that can power through tiny spaces and has quick feet. Not that a Holmes in his prime would be getting 4+ ypc behind this line, but he'd probably get you a good 3-4 ypc instead of this anemic shit diaper boy is putting up.

KCJohnny · 10-08-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Jones

LJ is mailing it in. He's not trying to get yards, just shuffling around looking for the huge holes he used to have and going all PMS when they aren't there.

Back when the LJ vs. Holmes debates started, I used to say LJ was the better back for that line, because he had more top end speed and with those huge holes he could get 10+ yards on runs that Holmes was only getting 5-6 on. Now that our O-line isn't very good we could really use a runner like Holmes - someone that can power through tiny spaces and has quick feet. Not that a Holmes in his prime would be getting 4+ ypc behind this line, but he'd probably get you a good 3-4 ypc instead of this anemic shit diaper boy is putting up.

Michael Bennett has some of the quickest steps in the NFL, is 5'9" and he is getting nailed in the backfield as well. I'm not giving LJ a free pass, but this OL is failing anyone who tries to rush the football.

BigChiefFan · 10-08-2007, 07:51 PM

Our run blocking is atrocious. Weigman doesn't fit smashmouth football, why do you think the Bears gave up on him? Mcintosh is better than Black, but not by much. I've seen him standing round looking for a player to block rather than intiate a block down field. Waters has had untimely penalties. Welbourn is a big son of a gun, but doesn't execute all of his assignments and Turley has flat out just lost a step. Terry has played better than Turls, but he isn't anything special. Kris Wilson absolutely sucks as a blocking FB and we want to blame LJ for our woes? No rushing TDs in the first five games equates to shitty blocking.

KCJohnny · 10-08-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Our run blocking is atrocious. Weigman doesn't fit smashmouth football, why do you think the Bears gave up on him? Mcintosh is better than Black, but not by much. I've seen him standing round looking for a player to block rather than intiate a block down field. Waters has had untimely penalties. Welbourn is a big son of a gun, but doesn't execute all of his assignments and Turley has flat out just lost a step. Terry has played better than Turls, but he isn't anything special. Kris Wilson absolutely sucks as a blocking FB and we want to blame LJ for our woes? No rushing TDs in the first five games equates to shitty blocking.

That's a great take.

**Buehler445** · 10-08-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Our run blocking is atrocious. Weigman doesn't fit smashmouth football, why do you think the Bears gave up on him? Mcintosh is better than Black, but not by much. I've seen him standing round looking for a player to block rather than intiate a block down field. Waters has had untimely penalties. Welbourn is a big son of a gun, but doesn't execute all of his assignments and Turley has flat out just lost a step. Terry has played better than Turls, but he isn't anything special. Kris Wilson absolutely sucks as a blocking FB and we want to blame LJ for our woes? No rushing TDs in the first five games equates to shitty blocking.

Kyle Turley was hurt the last two weeks IIRC. I think when he is healthy (haha, yeah right) he is reasonably serviceable, from what I've seen, which is admitedly not much. I think most of what I am upset about is Waters. He is getting beat and getting a lot of penalties. I'm sure a lot of it is coming from this line not being able to win any battles, but he is supposed to be the real deal.

I have been pleased with the pass protection. We have been in A LOT of obvious pass situations, and they have held up. However, watching the run blocking usually leads to this...

KCJohnny · 10-08-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Kyle Turley was hurt the last two weeks IIRC. I think when he is healthy (haha, yeah right) he is reasonably serviceable, from what I've seen, which is admitedly not much. I think most of what I am upset about is Waters. He is getting beat and getting a lot of penalties. I'm sure a lot of it is coming from this line not being able to win any battles, but he is supposed to be the real deal.

I have been pleased with the pass protection. We have been in A LOT of obvious pass situations, and they have held up. However, watching the run blocking usually leads to this...

Buehler brings up a good point. These guys CAN pass protect. Which begs the question, which RB is better in the draws/delays a la Holmes? Might be a good idea to give Bennett a try in spread formations and see if he can scat/juke some yardage. Other than that, we're hosed in the I-formation.

**ShortRoundChief** · 10-09-2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Buehler brings up a good point. These guys CAN pass protect. Which begs the question, which RB is better in the draws/delays a la Holmes? Might be a good idea to give Bennett a try in spread formations and see if he can scat/juke some yardage. Other than that, we're hosed in the I-formation.

Among other things we are hosed in the I-formation due to the lack of a true fullback

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KC Jones Genious Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $10012761	LJ is mailing it in. He's not trying to get yards, just shuffling around looking for the huge holes he used to have and going all PMS when they aren't there. Back when the LJ vs. Holmes debates started, I used to say LJ was the better back for that line, because he had more top end speed and with those huge holes he could get 10+ yards on runs that Holmes was only getting 5-6 on. Now that our O-line isn't very good we could really use a runner like Holmes - someone that can power through tiny spaces and has quick feet. Not that a Holmes in his prime would be getting 4+ ypc behind this line, but he'd probably get you a good 3-4 ypc instead of this anemic shit diaper boy is putting up. __________________ re-sign: to sign again resign: to withdraw from employment
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