What the Hell is a "System QB" and why is it bad to be one?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by vailpass

You're frigging kidding me right? You picture Elway with the weapons Montana had and tell me how many rings he would have won.

As many as Montana, perhaps, but NO MORE. NFC was awesome back then. And you're not going to convince me that Elway was actually better than Montana. As good, MAYBE, but not better.

[Chiefs_5627]

Originally Posted by vailpass

You're frigging kidding me right? You picture Elway with the weapons Montana had and tell me how many rings he would have won.

You talk like Joe had Jerry through all 4 rings...NOPE. He was successful with big old threat Dwight Clark and no name RBs. Try again. Go ahead and tell me how many of his first sb team are household names.


Offense
WR 87 Dwight Clark (8)
LT 78 Lindsey Mason (8)
LG 8 John Ayers (8)
C 56 Fred Quillan (9)
RG 51 Randy Cross (8)
RT 71 Keith Fahnhorst (9
TE 86 Charle Young (8)
WR 88 Freddie Solomon (6)
QB 16 Joe Montana (8)
RB 25 Jeff Moore (4)/
30 Bill Ring (1)
RB 49 Earl Cooper (5)/
30 Bill Ring (2)

Defense
LE 79 Jim Stuckey (7)/
65 Lawrence Pillers (2)
NT 67 Pete Kugler (4)/
75 John Harty (4)/
65 Lawrence Pillers (1)
RE 75 John Harty (3)/
65 Lawrence Pillers (2)/
76 Dwaine Board (1)/
79 Jim Stuckey (1)/
67 Pete Kugler (1)/
72 Jeff Stover (1)
LOLB 59 Willie Harper (5)/
53 Milt McColl (2)
LILB 64 Jack Reynolds (8)
RILB 55 Bob Horn (6)/
57 Dan Bunz (2)/
64 Jack Reynolds (1)
ROLB 58 Keena Turner (9)
LCB 42 Ronnie Lott (9)
RCB 21 Eric Wright (7)
SS 27 Carlton Williamson (8)
FS 22 Dwight Hicks (9)

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Brock is on target.

People use "system QB" to mean that a QB's talent can only be exploited by one particular system.

Great QBs can generally be imagined to succeed in any system, or when systems break down.

And anyone who thinks that Montana could only thrive in a west coast system....well, ditto brock again: "horse shit"

that's as dumb as gochiefs claiming that Chris Carter couldn't separate from CBs....

I would agree somewhat...Montana succeeded with the Chiefs despite Marty. That's the sign of a great QB.

Green was always said to be a system QB...not so great with Wash, but good with KC. A system could also be a QB behind a great line and helped by a super RB.

[Iowanian]

Kliff Kingsberry put up huge numbers in Texas Tech's System....couldn't hack it.

Spread the defense out with 4-5 quick wrs and throw slants and fly patterns.....big numbers, but they often can't make the nfl throws.....the 15 yard outs across the field etc.

[Mile High Mania]

The deal is this... as originally stated, guys like Elway and Favre are rare and you should cherish them while they're playing.

[Mile High Mania]

Seriously... Montana took over a KC team that had 20 wins the previous 2 seasons and won exactly 20 in his 2 seasons. Hell, Bono followed Joe and had 22 wins in 2 seasons.

Steve Bono > Joe Montana

(sarcasm) :-)

[Chiefs_5627]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Seriously... Montana took over a KC team that had 20 wins the previous 2 seasons and won exactly 20 in his 2 seasons. Hell, Bono followed Joe and had 22 wins in 2 seasons.

Steve Bono > Joe Montana

(sarcasm) :-)

Both were a combine 147 y/o when they played for KC.

[Mile High Mania]

Oh and look at that... surpassed the 20k posts mark.

(and it was a post about Elway, how fitting)

[Amnorix]

So....back to the basics.

"System QB" means any QB not named Favre, Elway, and maybe Montana.

Great -- what a dumb f**king term. Remind me to blast anyone who ever uses it in that type of context.

The ONLY definition of that term I've seen on here that makes any sense at all is for a college QB who is from a ridiculously wide open system that results in crazy stats for a QB who is doomed to fail in the NFL because that system can't work at the pro level.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

So....back to the basics.

"System QB" means any QB not named Favre, Elway, and maybe Montana.

Great -- what a dumb f**king term. Remind me to blast anyone who ever uses it in that type of context.

The ONLY definition of that term I've seen on here that makes any sense at all is for a college QB who is from a ridiculously wide open system that results in crazy stats for a QB who is doomed to fail in the NFL because that system can't work at the pro level.

I think that you are correct in your initial assessment that the majority of QB's are system QB's and will flourish or falter depending on the offense they play in (as well as with just about every position on the football field...I mean Dante Hall would not be a good fit as a #1 WR for a team the relied heavily on its #1 WR to block LB's in the running game) so in essence everyone is a "system" something or other with the few exceptions of truly gifted athletes who can excel in any system

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

I think that you are correct in your initial assessment that the majority of QB's are system QB's and will flourish or falter depending on the offense they play in (as well as with just about every position on the football field...I mean Dante Hall would not be a good fit as a #1 WR for a team the relied heavily on its #1 WR to block LB's in the running game) so in essence everyone is a "system" something or other with the few exceptions of truly gifted athletes who can excel in any system

Which is why I think the phrase "system QB" is meaningless. It's just a useless phrase when applying it to a NFL QB, especially since it' smeant to be derogatory.

If having a system QB means being stuck with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, then sign me up for having a system QB.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Which is why I think the phrase "system QB" is meaningless. It's just a useless phrase when applying it to a NFL QB, especially since it' smeant to be derogatory.

If having a system QB means being stuck with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, then sign me up for having a system QB.

I agree wholeheartedly sir...where do I sign?

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Which is why I think the phrase "system QB" is meaningless. It's just a useless phrase when applying it to a NFL QB, especially since it' smeant to be derogatory.

If having a system QB means being stuck with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, then sign me up for having a system QB.

I agree. In the NFL it is meaningless. In the NFL you should be building a system around your franchise QB, or finding a player that fits into your system. It's all about the system in the NFL. You don't want Pennington trying to run the Colts offense and you don't need Manning to run an offense that Herm would like in KC.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Which is why I think the phrase "system QB" is meaningless. It's just a useless phrase when applying it to a NFL QB, especially since it' smeant to be derogatory.

If having a system QB means being stuck with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, then sign me up for having a system QB.

Tom Brady, is a guy who was in the right place at the right time, KC would've destroyed his development

[banyon]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

So....back to the basics.

"System QB" means any QB not named Favre, Elway, and maybe Montana.

Great -- what a dumb f**king term. Remind me to blast anyone who ever uses it in that type of context.

The ONLY definition of that term I've seen on here that makes any sense at all is for a college QB who is from a ridiculously wide open system that results in crazy stats for a QB who is doomed to fail in the NFL because that system can't work at the pro level.

I thought the guy who gave the example of the Spurrier QB's was right on. Wuerffel, Grossman, Dean, Doug Johnson.

Basically Spurrier did not trust his QB's to make reads very much. In his genius, he would tell his QB's, "I'm calling the play, you just throw the ball where I'm telling you to". Then he would draw up the play and point out where the QB was supposed to throw when the shifts and patterns had been run. When those QB's got to the league, they weren't used to reading and reacting to Defenses when things broke down.