NFL Draft If JA is traded...Gholston is our pick at 5 - Page 3

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-22-2008, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They don't have a strict BPA list. They have clusters damnit.

Clusters, BPA, I don't give a shit.

The point stands.

People just need something to bitch about, and if we draft C. Long or Gholston, it's going to be because we needed to replace Allen, not because they were the best player for the team in the "cluster" that was available.

eazyb81 · 04-22-2008, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

People are getting carried away with this.

What if Gholston is the BPA at 5?

What if they were planning on picking him regardless of what happens with JA?

People are so quick to say we're wasting a pick to "replace" Allen.....

We don't NEED to replace Allen. We need the best players we can get regardless. If it happens to be a DE, so be it.

Sure we don't NEED to replace Allen, but I can understand people who are pissed at getting rid of one of the best DEs in football and replacing him with an untested DE who at best will play like Allen at basically the same price.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-22-2008, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Sure we don't NEED to replace Allen, but I can understand people who are pissed at getting rid of one of the best DEs in football and replacing him with an untested DE who at best will play like Allen at basically the same price.

So what if they were planning on drafting one of them and keeping Allen?

What difference does it make?

People are just hung up on replacing Allen.

KCUnited · 04-22-2008, 07:59 AM

I wish I was confident that this team would take the BPA, but I have a feeling whether Jared is on this team or not, we will be drafting for need, and that is Oline.

boogblaster · 04-22-2008, 08:53 AM

We need OL... We need OL... We need OL .....

**Anyong Bluth** · 04-22-2008, 09:10 AM

WTFITPOT....

Give up a known top notch DE who we have to pay big money to so we can give up big money to a top 5 pick that hasn't proven chit that we just had to use that pcik to replace our All Pro DE... =stupid.

I don't think Jake or Chris Long will be there at 5. If Dorsey somehow is there at 5 I think we take that pick, but also unlikely. If Matt Ryan is available at 5, I think we'll be hearing from Baltimore about wanting to trade up to pick him up, and we could more than likely get their 2nd- at least their 3rd. Carl can hold the fact that they are getting a shot at the top QB in the draft- which doesn't slot as evenly b/c the premium placed on the position. If that happens, I think we take Ellis at #8. Baltimore could call our bluff, but I could see Carl and Herm being like, that's fine, he grades out and is a position of possible need, so Baltimore can't feel totally confident sitting tight at 8.

With our 2nd 1st rounder (presumably from the Vikings) I think we look at taking an OT or CB- whichever position has a player that grades out higher for us- unless of course someone is on the board that we think has slid way too far based upon their talent.

That would probably mean we would picks in the 2nd round of:
#35 our original
#38 Baltimore's pick

#47 Minnesota's pick. If we're moving JA before on on draft day, I think they won't take anything less, and would be more than willing to let the Vikings try to sign him to an offer sheet after the draft- which they'd give up 2 #1's but 2 years off and their value drops- which Carl would probably take, but I could totally see him matching just to say F-off to them, but I think Herm would like the idea of 2 extra 1's over the next 2 years.

chiefscafan · 04-22-2008, 09:39 AM

ok all the highlight film i've watched on Gohlston I have one question is he big enough to play de in the nfl?

El Jefe · 04-22-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefscafan

ok all the highlight film i've watched on Gohlston I have one question is he big enough to play de in the nfl?

6'4 264 of pure muscle and athleticism, yes he is definetely big enough and strong enough to play DE LOL.

**Anyong Bluth** · 04-22-2008, 09:40 AM

By the way... wouldn't BPA probably be McFadden, since he's probably going to be there based on the latest projections.

Here's one time I wouldn't take BPA b/c we can't move them at all, and I'm a firm believer that b/c of the shelf life of RB's they are rarely worth going after that high. Give me a solid line up front that you can pay less to open holes and an avg back can look pretty damn good.

That said- watching Petersen last year was pretty sick- luckily they have a pretty sweet line blocking and oh ya- T-Rich lead blocking for him!

suds79 · 04-22-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cocina_Basement

By the way... wouldn't BPA probably be McFadden, since he's probably going to be there based on the latest projections.

Good question. But no we don't and here's why.

I certainly hope the Chiefs are taking this into account when determining the BPA.

IMO, part of evaluating BPA goes into what position they play. Ex: QB is a bigger impact position than say Safety. So if you have a QB and a Safety you rate pretty equal in the quality department, the push goes easily to QB because it's a much bigger impact position.

Now for McFadden. IMO, his BPA raiting (or whatever you call it) slips because RBs have a short life in the NFL and they're easy to find in the mid rounds (ex: Kolby Smith)

So that takes his value down.

Teams have got to take into account the position guys play.

Chief Pote · 04-22-2008, 09:58 AM

Somebody help me with this logic. Why in the hell would you trade away Jared Allen and then make your priority a DE in the first pick??? Hell I thought the team was more entertaining losing 38 to 35, then the current condition of the team. BUILD THE ****ING O-LINE PLEASE.

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-22-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefPote

Somebody help me with this logic. Why in the hell would you trade away Jared Allen and then make your priority a DE in the first pick??? Hell I thought the team was more entertaining losing 38 to 35, then the current condition of the team. BUILD THE ****ING O-LINE PLEASE.

1. DE doesn't become a 'priority' - it's still BPA available at #5.

2. Refer to #1 to realize that there isn't a viable OL option at the #5 pick.

Chief Pote · 04-22-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

1. DE doesn't become a 'priority' - it's still BPA available at #5.

2. Refer to #1 to realize that there isn't a viable OL option at the #5 pick.

Understood. However, I know everyone must see the irony of that choice. A sellout of the defense. Trade away a solid player and you gotta replace them immediately with your only hope for the future...the draft. Just puzzling.

**the Talking Can** · 04-22-2008, 10:10 AM

is Ghoulston really the next Merriman?

seems like after Merriman, everyone is searching for the next "Merriman" and guys who aren't as good have their value inflated..wasn't Merriman the #17-ish pick?

same with Adrien Peterson...because of him people are hot for McFadden when there is little reason or evidence to draft any RB that high...

I'd still much rather have Ellis than Ghoulston, if we aren't going to take Ryan....simply based on the value of their positions and wanting to finally shore up the middle of our defense

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

is Ghoulston really the next Merriman?

seems like after Merriman, everyone is searching for the next "Merriman" and guys who aren't as good have their value inflated..wasn't Merriman the #17-ish pick?

same with Adrien Peterson...because of him people are hot for McFadden when there is little reason or evidence to draft any RB that high...

I'd still much rather have Ellis than Ghoulston, if we aren't going to take Ryan....simply based on the value of their positions and wanting to finally shore up the middle of our defense

Gholston is a much better prospect than Merriman.

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04-22-2008, 09:10 AM	#6
Anyong Bluth Deus ambulans inter homines Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Casino cash: $9439340	WTFITPOT.... Give up a known top notch DE who we have to pay big money to so we can give up big money to a top 5 pick that hasn't proven chit that we just had to use that pcik to replace our All Pro DE... =stupid. I don't think Jake or Chris Long will be there at 5. If Dorsey somehow is there at 5 I think we take that pick, but also unlikely. If Matt Ryan is available at 5, I think we'll be hearing from Baltimore about wanting to trade up to pick him up, and we could more than likely get their 2nd- at least their 3rd. Carl can hold the fact that they are getting a shot at the top QB in the draft- which doesn't slot as evenly b/c the premium placed on the position. If that happens, I think we take Ellis at #8. Baltimore could call our bluff, but I could see Carl and Herm being like, that's fine, he grades out and is a position of possible need, so Baltimore can't feel totally confident sitting tight at 8. With our 2nd 1st rounder (presumably from the Vikings) I think we look at taking an OT or CB- whichever position has a player that grades out higher for us- unless of course someone is on the board that we think has slid way too far based upon their talent. That would probably mean we would picks in the 2nd round of: #35 our original #38 Baltimore's pick #47 Minnesota's pick. If we're moving JA before on on draft day, I think they won't take anything less, and would be more than willing to let the Vikings try to sign him to an offer sheet after the draft- which they'd give up 2 #1's but 2 years off and their value drops- which Carl would probably take, but I could totally see him matching just to say F-off to them, but I think Herm would like the idea of 2 extra 1's over the next 2 years. __________________ Suck it, *beautiful*
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04-22-2008, 09:39 AM	#7
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04-22-2008, 09:40 AM	#9
Anyong Bluth Deus ambulans inter homines Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Casino cash: $9439340	By the way... wouldn't BPA probably be McFadden, since he's probably going to be there based on the latest projections. Here's one time I wouldn't take BPA b/c we can't move them at all, and I'm a firm believer that b/c of the shelf life of RB's they are rarely worth going after that high. Give me a solid line up front that you can pay less to open holes and an avg back can look pretty damn good. That said- watching Petersen last year was pretty sick- luckily they have a pretty sweet line blocking and oh ya- T-Rich lead blocking for him! __________________ Suck it, *beautiful*
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04-22-2008, 09:58 AM	#11
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the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9092208	is Ghoulston really the next Merriman? seems like after Merriman, everyone is searching for the next "Merriman" and guys who aren't as good have their value inflated..wasn't Merriman the #17-ish pick? same with Adrien Peterson...because of him people are hot for McFadden when there is little reason or evidence to draft any RB that high... I'd still much rather have Ellis than Ghoulston, if we aren't going to take Ryan....simply based on the value of their positions and wanting to finally shore up the middle of our defense __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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