Possible Chiefs\Saints trade

[The Bad Guy]

If this is the case, the Chiefs would truly rebuild overnight with a move like this.

Brown, Waters, Niswanger, Albert and McIntosh is 1000000x better than anything we could have hoped for.

I'm amazed they'd give up this much to get Ellis.

[tomahawk kid]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

If this is the case, the Chiefs would truly rebuild overnight with a move like this.

Brown, Waters, Niswanger, Albert and McIntosh is 1000000x better than anything we could have hoped for.

I'm amazed they'd give up this much to get Ellis.

And that's assuming we don't take another center in Rds 3-4, which I'm almost certain we will.

[Brock]

Why would the Saints trade away a franchise left tackle? Somthing stinks.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Brock

Why would the Saints trade away a franchise left tackle? Somthing stinks.

Yeah, that's too good a deal. Something tells me that Brown is either a) playing on an artificial leg, b) expecting Bill Gates money, or c) plans to join the Merchant Marine when his contract ends.

[Anyong Bluth]

I'd love this deal.

You get Brown & still have 2 1st round picks. I'd take Albert at 10. I know he's moving up the board and all, but I'd feel a bit uneasy taking him at 5- seeing as how most teams are looking at switching him over to OT from guard.
We can't move past 10 really, but you know that Denver and other teams after 10 are going to be taking O-line. But I think at 10 you can still get Albert, possibly a different O-lineman or D-lineman.

I am starting to think that we should definitely take one of the other QB's with our 2nd. If Brody doesn't pan out this next year, and we tank, we will most likely have a top 3 pick next year, and the QB's next year from what I've seen aren't nearly as good. People can debate which one of the QB's they'd want besides Ryan, but I think I'd love to grab Brohm if we can get him in the 2nd. The guy was on everyone's board for so long as the top QB prospect and I think he has all the tools to be a very good QB. It's a good idea to give Brody some competition, as well as having some insurance, instead of feeling like we're going to have to use our very high 1st rounder on a QB next year- when the prospects coming out aren't looking to be as good as this year.

Moving back in this draft and picking up more picks for this year is a great idea in my mind. While its obvious that this years draft is fairly weak at the top of blue chip guys, it's also extremely deep with a lot of quality players that would probably go higher in other years. So if you can get better value in a number of players instead of sticking pat at #5 to get more choices or what not, it makes a lot more sense that trying to justify giving #5 pick money to a guy that probably isn't worth that sort of money- be it drafting for need or BPA.

Sign me up for trading picks with the Saints at 5 to 10: Taking Albert or maybe Harvey at 10 & getting Brown.

At 17: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie maybe??? Probably the top CB in the draft and may still be on the board- you have a need area and get the best CB debatably... welcome to other's suggestion.

Round 2: Brohm, kinda reminds me of Marino. Not the most mobile pocket passer, but has solid frame, height, mechanics, high release point, and his completion percentage is much better than the other 1 & 2nd round guys. People worry about his arm strength, I think he's got enough mustard to be fine and who really thinks were gonna be dropping deep bombs all that often under Herm. Didn't they say that Montana also had a weak arm?

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by Cocina_Basement

I'd love this deal.

You get Brown & still have 2 1st round picks. I'd take Albert at 10. I know he's moving up the board and all, but I'd feel a bit uneasy taking him at 5- seeing as how most teams are looking at switching him over to OT from guard.
We can't move past 10 really, but you know that Denver and other teams after 10 are going to be taking O-line. But I think at 10 you can still get Albert, possibly a different O-lineman or D-lineman.

I am starting to think that we should definitely take one of the other QB's with our 2nd. If Brody doesn't pan out this next year, and we tank, we will most likely have a top 3 pick next year, and the QB's next year from what I've seen aren't nearly as good. People can debate which one of the QB's they'd want besides Ryan, but I think I'd love to grab Brohm if we can get him in the 2nd. The guy was on everyone's board for so long as the top QB prospect and I think he has all the tools to be a very good QB. It's a good idea to give Brody some competition, as well as having some insurance, instead of feeling like we're going to have to use our very high 1st rounder on a QB next year- when the prospects coming out aren't looking to be as good as this year.

Moving back in this draft and picking up more picks for this year is a great idea in my mind. While its obvious that this years draft is fairly weak at the top of blue chip guys, it's also extremely deep with a lot of quality players that would probably go higher in other years. So if you can get better value in a number of players instead of sticking pat at #5 to get more choices or what not, it makes a lot more sense that trying to justify giving #5 pick money to a guy that probably isn't worth that sort of money- be it drafting for need or BPA.

Sign me up for trading picks with the Saints at 5 to 10: Taking Albert or maybe Harvey at 10 & getting Brown.

At 17: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie maybe??? Probably the top CB in the draft and may still be on the board- you have a need area and get the best CB debatably... welcome to other's suggestion.

Round 2: Brohm, kinda reminds me of Marino. Not the most mobile pocket passer, but has solid frame, height, mechanics, high release point, and his completion percentage is much better than the other 1 & 2nd round guys. People worry about his arm strength, I think he's got enough mustard to be fine and who really thinks were gonna be dropping deep bombs all that often under Herm. Didn't they say that Montana also had a weak arm?

agree with everything but the qb,
I think brodies the guy and if he can't do it they were pretty high on thigpen

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

they were pretty high on thigpen

Does this scare anyone besides me?

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Does this scare anyone besides me?

doesn't scare me

[SBK]

I'd do this trade for the LT, the #10 and the Saints #1 next year. Otherwise I think I take Gholston with my 5 spot and a LT with my 17.

Don't see why NO would be shopping a pro-bowl LT.....smells fishy.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by SBK

I'd do this trade for the LT, the #10 and the Saints #1 next year. Otherwise I think I take Gholston with my 5 spot and a LT with my 17.

Don't see why NO would be shopping a pro-bowl LT.....smells fishy.

Character concern and his play trailed off. Plus he'll be demanding a payday before long.

I'm almost certain the Chiefs will pass. They want picks, not players.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Character concern and his play trailed off. Plus he'll be demanding a payday before long.

I'm almost certain the Chiefs will pass. They want picks, not players.

What are his character concerns? I really don't know. The guy hasn't played an entire season yet, so either he's going to come here and excel and can expect a reasonable payout- which we're going to have to pay any tackle we have a good sum if he's going to perform like we are expecting. We could also trade for the guy and redo his contract with an extension in the hopes of getting him for a few more years at a cheaper price.

Besides, we have plenty of cap space right now. We're in no danger of cap space. We only have 51 players on the roster right now and alot of our guys will be playing under rookie contract for the next few years, so you could presumably sign the guy to an extentsion, and spread his salary more evenly instead of backloading the later years. This is commonly done, and teams usually have to put roster bonuses or up the signing bonus so the player will agree to backload the contract. What you would basically do is get him secured longer, lessen his signing bonus and not put yourself behind the 8 ball with a rediculous salary jump / roster bonus and be able to pay him a bit more on a yearly basis while we do have a lot more room under the cap. If he does pan out and has a backloaded contract / roster bonus- he would probably be right up against the same time we'll be having to resign a lot of our draft guys that are coming off their rookie contracts and be looking for much larger contracts. That would be a very silly thing to try to put yourself in a situation of having to decide who you can afford when you could have structured it beforehand to avoid that situation.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Cocina_Basement

What are his character concerns? I really don't know. The guy hasn't played an entire season yet, so either he's going to come here and excel and can expect a reasonable payout- which we're going to have to pay any tackle we have a good sum if he's going to perform like we are expecting. We could also trade for the guy and redo his contract with an extension in the hopes of getting him for a few more years at a cheaper price.

Besides, we have plenty of cap space right now. We're in no danger of cap space. We only have 51 players on the roster right now and alot of our guys will be playing under rookie contract for the next few years, so you could presumably sign the guy to an extentsion, and spread his salary more evenly instead of backloading the later years. This is commonly done, and teams usually have to put roster bonuses or up the signing bonus so the player will agree to backload the contract. What you would basically do is get him secured longer, lessen his signing bonus and not put yourself behind the 8 ball with a rediculous salary jump / roster bonus and be able to pay him a bit more on a yearly basis while we do have a lot more room under the cap. If he does pan out and has a backloaded contract / roster bonus- he would probably be right up against the same time we'll be having to resign a lot of our draft guys that are coming off their rookie contracts and be looking for much larger contracts. That would be a very silly thing to try to put yourself in a situation of having to decide who you can afford when you could have structured it beforehand to avoid that situation.

There was a domestic abuse charge leveled at him before 2007, but it was dropped. Then his production sagged in 2007. Character sirens should be going off in your head.

I like the guy a lot, but he's not worth it by himself. We shouldn't be paying anybody big this offseason.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

There was a domestic abuse charge leveled at him before 2007, but it was dropped. Then his production sagged in 2007. Character sirens should be going off in your head.

I like the guy a lot, but he's not worth it by himself. We shouldn't be paying anybody big this offseason.

Do you know the specifics of the incident? I've been around the law long enough to know that just b/c you got charged with something that it doesn't = he's a bad guy. Plenty of crash bitches out there and cops routinely will charge people with chit that once a DA looks it over sees its a junk charge.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

There was a domestic abuse charge leveled at him before 2007, but it was dropped. Then his production sagged in 2007. Character sirens should be going off in your head.

I like the guy a lot, but he's not worth it by himself. We shouldn't be paying anybody big this offseason.

He's under contract until 2011, and makes somewhere in the neighborhood of 750k per year.

We wouldn't have to pay him big money for quite a while.

[ChiefsCountry]

Brown was in the same draft class as DJ, so he is still pretty young for our rebuilding movement. It would be something I would at least consider.