Chiefs OK Mr. Croyle, I've defended loyally on this forum. - Page 3

Frankie · 05-13-2008, 12:23 PM

It's time for you to reward me and the the rest of your defenders. I'm looking forward to reading a piece on the Star about how you have dedicated this off-season to gaining 10-15 pounds of muscle. I hope you haven't forgotten that as a necessary step for your career and gaining respect of the fans and your teammates.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-13-2008, 08:12 PM

check other QB's TD to INT rate in thier first year starting and you might be surprised...brodie doesn't look so bad when you do that.

FAX · 05-13-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

check other QB's TD to INT rate in thier first year starting and you might be surprised...brodie doesn't look so bad when you do that.

Some people hate him for reasons that are unknowable, Mr. PGM. It's almost as if they expect him to win football games, or something.

FAX

Reerun_KC · 05-13-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

check other QB's TD to INT rate in thier first year starting and you might be surprised...brodie doesn't look so bad when you do that.

Nope, no need to do that...

Croyle should win games alone, he doesnt need a line, coach or a running game...

Croyle played behind one of the worst OL's in NFL history, One of the worst coaches in recent NFL history and without his record touching setting RB in the back field, All this ='s Croyle Bust.

Frankie · 05-13-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I seriously believe Brodie is going to be opening some eyes about three quarters into next season. I think he's a gamer, but the o-line play must be improved for him to succeed.

It's not an excuse, it's common sense.

I totally hope you are right. It would accelerate our rebuild by a lot. As opposed to having to draft a QB in the 1st or give up high draft choices for Brady Quinn.

FAX · 05-13-2008, 09:51 PM

Well, we know that Croyle can make all the throws. We know he can remember the playbook (albeit the simplified version). We know he can bark out signals and hand the ball off. We also know that he wants the job and wants to win.

What we don't know is if he can stay healthy, consistently find the open receiver, and keep our balls out of enemy hands. I'd like to believe that, if we can meliorate our pass protection and get a running game going, the overall play at the quarteback position will improve, as well. I don't expect Croyle to win games for us "singlehandedly", though. First of all, if our playbook is anything like last year's, we won't be throwing a lot of deep passes and/or chucking it into the end zone from the 35. Secondly, we apparently lack a solid, complimentary receiver to Bowe and a serious deep threat to stretch the field and loosen things up at the LOS.

The main thing is whether or not Herm has learned that the every-other-down, dump-off pass is not going to help either our running game or our abilty to move the chains. One can only hope. But, if he has, Croyle has a better chance of impressing. Like a little Stabler Jr., his game is basically, "get the friggin' ball downfield" and I like that.

FAX

kcchiefsus · 05-13-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Croyle didn't have alot of help, but he certainly didn't anything to warrant praise either. In 10 games Croyle has 6 TDs to 8 Interceptions, he also fumbled the ball 4 times and lost 3 of those 4 for turnovers. I'm all for giving the kid a shot, but he certainly doesn't look like the 2nd coming of Joe Montana at this point. We'll see, only time will tell, but I'd give him this season, than yank off the umbilical cord. Croyle needs to take major strides, he's twenty-five years old, we need to stop babying him and make him earn his keep.

He had 6 interceptions, not 8. And he's not the only quarterback to suck majorly in his first year as a starter. Warren Moon threw more interceptions than touchdowns each of his first 3 seasons in the league. His 3rd season he had twice as many interceptions as touchdowns. Johnny Unitas had 9 touchdowns and 10 interceptions as a rookie. Troy Aikman went 0-11 and had twice as many interceptions as touchdowns as a rookie. I don't see why Croyle should be given up on when plenty of great quarterbacks absolutely sucked early on.

Brock · 05-13-2008, 09:54 PM

I'm pulling for him. Tough odds though.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-13-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Some people hate him for reasons that are unknowable, Mr. PGM. It's almost as if they expect him to win football games, or something.

FAX

it was painful to watch him play this past season and it would have been nice for him to win a couple games, but in retrospect that 4-12 season was the best thing that could have happened to this franchise. it forced them to rebuild the right way. it is brodie's turn to step up now. put up or shutup.

ChiefsCountry · 05-13-2008, 10:03 PM

6 wins is the bench mark to judge IMO. Win 6 or more and we got a QB for the future, win less than that it depends on his play.

Frankie · 05-14-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

it was painful to watch him play this past season and it would have been nice for him to win a couple games, ....

If memory serves me right, he technically won the Indi game by bringing us back late in the game. It was our D that lost it.

BigChiefFan · 05-14-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

He had 6 interceptions, not 8. And he's not the only quarterback to suck majorly in his first year as a starter. Warren Moon threw more interceptions than touchdowns each of his first 3 seasons in the league. His 3rd season he had twice as many interceptions as touchdowns. Johnny Unitas had 9 touchdowns and 10 interceptions as a rookie. Troy Aikman went 0-11 and had twice as many interceptions as touchdowns as a rookie. I don't see why Croyle should be given up on when plenty of great quarterbacks absolutely sucked early on.

Again, he had 8 INTs in his CAREER-he didn't just play last year. And I said he wasn't the 2nd coming of Joe Montana at this point-which he isn't-I'll let you compare the two players and you'll see my statement isn't wrong in the least. I also mentioned Croyle deserved this entire season to see what he can do. What part of all that don't you understand?

Delano · 05-14-2008, 08:13 AM

The offensive line will take several games to gel. A couple of new tackles, a new guard, a center starting for the first time.

I hope Brodie can survive the first half of the season and reap the benefits of a renovated line. Eight games in, the offense should be clicking and if Brodie is healthy we'll see what he's got.

kregger · 05-14-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

The main thing is whether or not Herm has learned that the every-other-down, dump-off pass is not going to help either our running game or our abilty to move the chains.
FAX

Mr FAX, I sure as hell hope that the lateral passing was one of Solari's tools and not Herm's. If I see that crap again this year on such a consistent basis, I might start a "fire Herm" campaign myself. Gailey has got to be more creative than Solari and be allowed to run the offense ala Saunders. I'm pretty sure we'll see a run dominated offense with a mid-range passing attack.

Sure-Oz · 05-14-2008, 09:23 AM

This is brodie, i'll do my best...im actually headed to gnc right now

Micjones · 05-14-2008, 10:56 AM

I cannot remember a previous Third Round pick ever "deserving" so much time, patience and opportunity.

I'm tired of the readymade excuses for Brodie Croyle as well.

05-13-2008, 12:23 PM
Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	OK Mr. Croyle, I've defended loyally on this forum. It's time for you to reward me and the the rest of your defenders. I'm looking forward to reading a piece on the Star about how you have dedicated this off-season to gaining 10-15 pounds of muscle. I hope you haven't forgotten that as a necessary step for your career and gaining respect of the fans and your teammates.
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05-13-2008, 09:51 PM	#35
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	Well, we know that Croyle can make all the throws. We know he can remember the playbook (albeit the simplified version). We know he can bark out signals and hand the ball off. We also know that he wants the job and wants to win. What we don't know is if he can stay healthy, consistently find the open receiver, and keep our balls out of enemy hands. I'd like to believe that, if we can meliorate our pass protection and get a running game going, the overall play at the quarteback position will improve, as well. I don't expect Croyle to win games for us "singlehandedly", though. First of all, if our playbook is anything like last year's, we won't be throwing a lot of deep passes and/or chucking it into the end zone from the 35. Secondly, we apparently lack a solid, complimentary receiver to Bowe and a serious deep threat to stretch the field and loosen things up at the LOS. The main thing is whether or not Herm has learned that the every-other-down, dump-off pass is not going to help either our running game or our abilty to move the chains. One can only hope. But, if he has, Croyle has a better chance of impressing. Like a little Stabler Jr., his game is basically, "get the friggin' ball downfield" and I like that. FAX
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05-13-2008, 09:54 PM	#37
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Delano [b]Supporter[/b] Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A Hypnagogic Landscape Casino cash: $7635015	The offensive line will take several games to gel. A couple of new tackles, a new guard, a center starting for the first time. I hope Brodie can survive the first half of the season and reap the benefits of a renovated line. Eight games in, the offense should be clicking and if Brodie is healthy we'll see what he's got. __________________ A million CPilgrims face Mecca. Think of the power behind that fact. All logging in now. And bending. And praying. ChiefsPlanet is the angle at which realities meet. - Don DeLillo
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05-14-2008, 10:56 AM	#45
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	I cannot remember a previous Third Round pick ever "deserving" so much time, patience and opportunity. I'm tired of the readymade excuses for Brodie Croyle as well.
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