Chiefs our coaching just sucks - Page 4

FAX · 10-05-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Looks right to me. So why do people think Herm is good at the draft? He obviously isn't.

I don't know how that idea got started, Mr. Skip Towne. I've heard it ever since he arrived, though. I just assumed that Herm had drafted well at the Jets, or something.

So far, when you take out the consensus picks, it's kinda iffy.

FAX

SoCalBronco · 10-05-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Hali continues to be a tremendous disappointment. For my part, I'm tired of making excuses for him. At first, I thought it was injury, then I thought maybe he just needed more time making the transition to the pro game, now I think he's merely a very average player.

He's a first round pick. A Herm pick. That draft class isn't looking very spectacular right now. I pray the latter classes fair better.

Tamba Hali
Bernard Pollard
Brodie Croyle
Marcus Maxey
Tre' Stallings
Jeff Webb
Jarrad Page

FAX

Actually, Mr. Fax, Marcus Maxey is a baller. You guys shouldnt have cut him.

FAX · 10-05-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Actually, Mr. Fax, Marcus Maxey is a baller. You guys shouldnt have cut him.

Where is he now, Mr. SoCalBronco? Hasn't he been released about three times already? Twice by us and once by somebody else ... the Bears, maybe?

FAX

**the Talking Can** · 10-06-2008, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

Hali continues to be a tremendous disappointment. For my part, I'm tired of making excuses for him. At first, I thought it was injury, then I thought maybe he just needed more time making the transition to the pro game, now I think he's merely a very average player.

He's a first round pick. A Herm pick. That draft class isn't looking very spectacular right now. I pray the latter classes fair better.

Tamba Hali
Bernard Pollard
Brodie Croyle
Marcus Maxey
Tre' Stallings
Jeff Webb
Jarrad Page

FAX

right now that class looks like a steaming pile of shit

I<3Herm · 10-06-2008, 06:14 PM

I think you guys are being a little harsh

MIAdragon · 10-06-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by I<3Herm

I think you guys are being a little harsh

Mr. Laz · 10-06-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by I<3Herm

I think you guys are being a little harsh

the results say we aren't

in fact, Herms entire head coaching career pretty much says we are spot on.

Coaching Results

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Year	Age	Tm	Lg	G	W	L	W-L%	G plyf	W plyf	L plyf	W-L%	Rank	Notes
2001	47	New York Jets	NFL	16	10	6	.625	1	0	1	.000	3
2002	48	New York Jets	NFL	16	9	7	.563	2	1	1	.500	1
2003	49	New York Jets	NFL	16	6	10	.375					3
2004	50	New York Jets	NFL	16	10	6	.625	2	1	1	.500	2
2005	51	New York Jets	NFL	16	4	12	.250					4
2006	52	Kansas City Chiefs	NFL	16	9	7	.563	1	0	1	.000	2
2007	53	Kansas City Chiefs	NFL	16	4	12	.250					3
2008	54	Kansas City Chiefs	NFL	5	1	4	.200					4
8 yrs				117	53	64	.453	6	2	4	.333	2.8	Avg Finish
5 yrs		NYJ		80	39	41	.488	5	2	3	.400	2.6
3 yrs		KAN		37	14	23	.378	1	0	1	.000	3.0

Games over .500: -11
Super Bowl Wins: 0
Overall Championships: 0
Conference Championships: 0
Division Championships: 1

TrickyNicky · 10-05-2008, 07:04 PM

Hali looked horrible. He isn't a very good DE at this point. It's apparent that he needs to go back to the other side where he is actually useful in pursuit.

**Dylan** · 10-05-2008, 07:11 PM

Honestly, I really did not expect that to happen. Sorry

Laz ---

NFL.com
"Kansas City had no answer for Williams. The Carolina running back had his best game of the season, running around the Chiefs' defense for a career-high 123 yards and two scores, and adding a 25-yard TD catch."

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_i...tab_gamecenter

SBK · 10-05-2008, 07:42 PM

The only thing Herm has done right is convince the owner to build through the draft. And that has nothing to do with coaching.

**the Talking Can** · 10-06-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SBK

The only thing Herm has done right is convince the owner to build through the draft. And that has nothing to do with coaching.

rep

i think this will sum up Herm's tenure in KC

Direckshun · 10-05-2008, 08:16 PM

The biggest indication to know that our coaching sucks is to watch our second-level blocking by players at skill positions.

If you ever watch Dallas or Denver, their entire team blocks, including their WRs.

Since we've lost Samie Parker, we haven't had one decent block by a WR.

Now, that's coaching, and nothing else. Because Bowe was highly touted out of LSU for being a great blocker on linebackers. And he hasn't pulled off one memorable block as a member of the Chiefs. I remember one LJ run where Bowe was literally leaping out of the way of defenders.

DJJasonp · 10-06-2008, 02:08 PM

I'm seriously not looking for kudos here....

But...I've been saying for years now....how long can it possibly go (year after year) where we question the talent we have (and not the coaching/personnel directors)???

When Greg Robinson was here....it started as the players not learning his system, but ultimately, he became the scapegoat (to keep the masses from burning the stadium down if Carl didnt make SOME change after the Indy loss)....then, Gunther takes a 2nd tour of duty (pretty much telling you the guy has no marbles in his sack anymore since we fired him over the internet a few years back)...when Gunther arrives again, it goes back to "not having his guys"....so a few years ago - Carl goes out and gets "Gunther's guys" in players such as Kendrell Bell, Ron Edwards, Carlos Hall, etc. etc.....

And the results are the same.

Now...a couple good-looking draft picks in Jarrod Paige, Bernard Pollard, Derrick Johnson (who - all 3, looked very promising and looked good on many NFL teams' draft boards)....

And the results are the same.

I wont even get into the offensive side of the ball where the chiefs have literally been a place where most wide receivers go to die....and where a true rookie QB hasnt been groomed since...well...since almost never!

One other note: Several players over the past few years have escaped the Chiefs organization and have excelled in other defenses....

It is no longer about the players people.

MOhillbilly · 10-06-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

It is no longer about the players people.

the talent of the 90s team wasnt that great.

the joker · 10-06-2008, 03:26 PM

coaching? whats that?

10-06-2008, 06:14 PM	#5
I<3Herm Rookie Join Date: Oct 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	I think you guys are being a little harsh
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TrickyNicky My Black Friend, Alan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Manhattan Casino cash: $10007047	Hali looked horrible. He isn't a very good DE at this point. It's apparent that he needs to go back to the other side where he is actually useful in pursuit.
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Dylan The Lede Join Date: Aug 2007 Casino cash: $10016591	Honestly, I really did not expect that to happen. Sorry Laz --- NFL.com "Kansas City had no answer for Williams. The Carolina running back had his best game of the season, running around the Chiefs' defense for a career-high 123 yards and two scores, and adding a 25-yard TD catch." http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_i...tab_gamecenter
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SBK Curry is the pick??? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Casino cash: $10004900	The only thing Herm has done right is convince the owner to build through the draft. And that has nothing to do with coaching.
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10-05-2008, 08:16 PM	#12
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	The biggest indication to know that our coaching sucks is to watch our second-level blocking by players at skill positions. If you ever watch Dallas or Denver, their entire team blocks, including their WRs. Since we've lost Samie Parker, we haven't had one decent block by a WR. Now, that's coaching, and nothing else. Because Bowe was highly touted out of LSU for being a great blocker on linebackers. And he hasn't pulled off one memorable block as a member of the Chiefs. I remember one LJ run where Bowe was literally leaping out of the way of defenders.
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10-06-2008, 02:08 PM	#13
DJJasonp My work speaks for itself!!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $-1984800	I'm seriously not looking for kudos here.... But...I've been saying for years now....how long can it possibly go (year after year) where we question the talent we have (and not the coaching/personnel directors)??? When Greg Robinson was here....it started as the players not learning his system, but ultimately, he became the scapegoat (to keep the masses from burning the stadium down if Carl didnt make SOME change after the Indy loss)....then, Gunther takes a 2nd tour of duty (pretty much telling you the guy has no marbles in his sack anymore since we fired him over the internet a few years back)...when Gunther arrives again, it goes back to "not having his guys"....so a few years ago - Carl goes out and gets "Gunther's guys" in players such as Kendrell Bell, Ron Edwards, Carlos Hall, etc. etc..... And the results are the same. Now...a couple good-looking draft picks in Jarrod Paige, Bernard Pollard, Derrick Johnson (who - all 3, looked very promising and looked good on many NFL teams' draft boards).... And the results are the same. I wont even get into the offensive side of the ball where the chiefs have literally been a place where most wide receivers go to die....and where a true rookie QB hasnt been groomed since...well...since almost never! One other note: Several players over the past few years have escaped the Chiefs organization and have excelled in other defenses.... It is no longer about the players people. __________________ Its easier to fool a man, than to convince a man he's been fooled. Last edited by DJJasonp; 10-06-2008 at 02:16 PM..
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