Chiefs Whitlock: Blame Moe, Larry and Curly for this Chiefs mess - Page 4

Mecca · 11-24-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Turk McBride, Tamba Hali, and Bernard Pollard are ****ing awful football players for where they were drafted.

Herm had four total picks in the first two rounds his first two years and missed badly on 3/4.

That's pathetic, especially when there were people all over this board clamoring for Youboty or Simpson in '06 over Pollard , and Kalil over McBride, lest we forget:

"Tamba Hali?? Mother**** You Carl!!"

Didn't you take some shit for ripping on those picks...actually I think we all did. Ah well atleast alot of us knew it from day one.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-24-2008, 01:49 PM

Dorsey needs better footwork, he needs to stop dropping his head and trying to bullrush through a guy's hips, and he needs to get in better cardiovascular shape.

It would also help if he had a coach who could teach him the fundamentals of how to use your hands instead of slap fighting.

I ****ing hate Tim Krumrie, BTW.

Mecca · 11-24-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dorsey needs better footwork, he needs to stop dropping his head and trying to bullrush through a guy's hips, and he needs to get in better cardiovascular shape.

It would also help if he had a coach who could teach him the fundamentals of how to use your hands instead of slap fighting.

I ****ing hate Tim Krumrie, BTW.

That slap fight drill is real important isn't it?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-24-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It would also help if he had a coach who could teach him the fundamentals of how to use your hands instead of slap fighting.

I ****ing hate Tim Krumrie, BTW.

Which is exactly why I'm not looking to crucify Dorsey, Hali, McBride and Tyler just yet.

Have they disappointed based on their draft position?

Absolutely.

But when the only two constants regarding your starting DL are:

a) All picked in the first 3 rounds;

b) All coached by Tim Krumrie;

Then forgive me for being a little more patient before calling them busts.

We've had ONE defensive lineman have ONE great season in the time Krumrie has been the DL coach.

That speaks volumes, IMO.

FringeNC · 11-24-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Which is exactly why I'm not looking to crucify Dorsey, Hali, McBride and Tyler just yet.

Have they disappointed based on their draft position?

Absolutely.

But when the only two constants regarding your starting DL are:

a) All picked in the first 3 rounds;

b) All coached by Tim Krumrie;

Then forgive me for being a little more patient before calling them busts.

We've had ONE defensive lineman have ONE great season in the time Krumrie has been the DL coach.

That speaks volumes, IMO.

Yes. This is exactly right. Saying that they are busts at this time is ridiculous, especially given the coaching staff, but saying that they haven't disappointed given their draft position is homerism. [Although Hali IS approaching bust status.]

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-24-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Yes. This is exactly right. Saying that they are busts at this time is ridiculous, especially given the coaching staff, but saying that they haven't disappointed given their draft position is homerism. [Although Hali IS approaching bust status.]

That train is pulling up to the station as I type. Completely unimpressed with that guy.

Sure-Oz · 11-24-2008, 01:52 PM

I loved Tamba's 1 arm attempt at trent edwards heading to the endzone

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-24-2008, 01:55 PM

FWIW,

Dorsey's negatives:

Negatives: Has a thick frame and while not sloppy, he does lack solid muscle tone, but does compensate with outstanding initial quickness and lower body strength...While he explodes off the snap, he has just marginal speed to make plays in long pursuit (best when shooting the inside gaps rather than try to make plays on the outside)...Has a strong lower body, but he needs to improve his base (gets narrow in his stance), as blockers have had success getting underneath his pads to lock on and wash him out of the play (see 2007 Tulane, Kentucky and Tennessee, and 2006 Tulane and Mississippi State games)...Must do a better job of planting his foot and anchoring vs. double teams (has good hand placement, but needs to counter better at times)...Best when taking angles or shooting gaps (gets too caught up in the battle when taking on isolated blockers at the point of attack)...Lack of ideal size might limit him to one-gap schemes...Generates good penetration, but for some reason, he fails to seal the deal on the quarterback (has only seven pressures in 51 games)...Does not display an array of pass rush moves, but shows good burst on the bull rush..

Coachable flaws that can't be corrected by someone who can't coach.

Mecca · 11-24-2008, 01:58 PM

Krumrie had 1 good lineman his entire time in Buffalo too so it fits....

**mlyonsd** · 11-24-2008, 03:35 PM

I think there were a bunch of planeteers that used to squawk about how ineffective Kawika Mitchell was. And now he has a ring.

I'm more than willing to give Dorsey next year to become dominant.

Coach · 11-24-2008, 05:03 PM

Mecca · 11-24-2008, 05:50 PM

If you are comparing someone to Ryan Denney that is not something to be excited about...

chiefzilla1501 · 11-24-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you are comparing someone to Ryan Denney that is not something to be excited about...

Shit, I'm sorry. I meant to say Chris Kelsay.

Mecca · 11-24-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Shit, I'm sorry. I meant to say Chris Kelsay.

I know some Bills fans and for the record they hate Chris Kelsay and Ryan Denney and have wanted the Bills to draft a DEnd for years to pair with Schobel.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-24-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I know some Bills fans and for the record they hate Chris Kelsay and Ryan Denney and have wanted the Bills to draft a DEnd for years to pair with Schobel.

It's because fans don't care about players who don't tally up a ton of sacks. Turk, like Kelsay, is not supposed to be a playmaker. He's supposed to be a guy that sets up opportunities for other players to make plays. He can hold his own in the run game and he bruises, batters, and exhausts his linemen so that the person behind him can benefit. Not much different from having a big bruising RB batter up the defense so the quick scatback can run wild against an exhausted defense. I think Turk still makes mistakes, but I've also seen lots of plays where he has just mauled his blocker into the backfield.

The problem is, he's playing as a primary DE when he should be used more rotationally. I still believe that if you rotate Turk and Hali on one end opposite a stud pass rusher, our DE situation will not be that terrible. Hali was a big-time reach, but I don't think you can say that about Turk just yet. Turk will do just fine when he's rotating.

11-24-2008, 01:49 PM	#2
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11-24-2008, 01:55 PM	#8
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	FWIW, Dorsey's negatives: Negatives: Has a thick frame and while not sloppy, he does lack solid muscle tone, but does compensate with outstanding initial quickness and lower body strength...While he explodes off the snap, he has just marginal speed to make plays in long pursuit (best when shooting the inside gaps rather than try to make plays on the outside)...Has a strong lower body, but he needs to improve his base (gets narrow in his stance), as blockers have had success getting underneath his pads to lock on and wash him out of the play (see 2007 Tulane, Kentucky and Tennessee, and 2006 Tulane and Mississippi State games)...Must do a better job of planting his foot and anchoring vs. double teams (has good hand placement, but needs to counter better at times)...Best when taking angles or shooting gaps (gets too caught up in the battle when taking on isolated blockers at the point of attack)...Lack of ideal size might limit him to one-gap schemes...Generates good penetration, but for some reason, he fails to seal the deal on the quarterback (has only seven pressures in 51 games)...Does not display an array of pass rush moves, but shows good burst on the bull rush.. Coachable flaws that can't be corrected by someone who can't coach. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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