Nick Athan.."Herm is 50/50 on coming back"

[Mojo Jojo]

Nick is a poor man's Bob Gretz. I have been in the PR office when Nick comes through and he sucks up to everyone and will write whatever the Chiefs PR department tells him to.

At least Gretz was a reporter and later columnist with a major market daily newspaper.

[DeezNutz]

This isn't much of a debate, IMO. If a new GM is hired and Herm is still the coach, this situation will officially be fubar. And I'm not saying this as a knock on Edwards.

New GM must have the right to get his guy.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This isn't much of a debate, IMO. If a new GM is hired and Herm is still the coach, this situation will officially be fubar. And I'm not saying this as a knock on Edwards.

New GM must have the right to get his guy.

Any other way and the GM starts off as a lame duck and cant be taken seriously...

[tomahawk kid]

Y'know what's really sad?

Harry uses this clown as a source.

[The Bad Guy]

6-26.

I don't care what direction you view this team is headed, when you're 6-24, you don't deserve any benefit of the doubt. Your ass should be fired.

Romeo Crennell found some defensive talent too in Cleveland with Wimbley, McDonald, Sean Jones, Andra Davis, but you don't see Cleveland fans clamoring for him to return.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

6-26.

I don't care what direction you view this team is headed, when you're 6-24, you don't deserve any benefit of the doubt. Your ass should be fired.

Romeo Crennell found some defensive talent too in Cleveland with Wimbley, McDonald, Sean Jones, Andra Davis, but you don't see Cleveland fans clamoring for him to return.

Except we don't know what was really going on behind the scenes between Herm and Carl. I agree this defense sucks ass, injuries or not.

I mean, if it was Herm saying, let's move Hali to LE and make no effort to go sign a serviceable LE via FA, then you got a point.

Somehow given the history of this team, it would not shock me 1 iota to know that Carl told hm this is how it was going to be cause he wasn't uping the $'s.

Carl did nothing to replace the aging O-line as well. So Herm really was handed a piece of shit O and a guy who had 0 business as an OC, as well as a weak DL save Allen, weak secondary and avg LB corps.

Greanted the D should be much further along.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Except we don't know what was really going on behind the scenes between Herm and Carl. I agree this defense sucks ass, injuries or not.

I mean, if it was Herm saying, let's move Hali to LE and make no effort to go sign a serviceable LE via FA, then you got a point.

Somehow given the history of this team, it would not shock me 1 iota to know that Carl told hm this is how it was going to be cause he wasn't uping the $'s.

Carl did nothing to replace the aging O-line as well. So Herm really was handed a piece of shit and a guy who had 0 business as an OC, as well as a weak DL save Allen, weak secondary and avg LB corps.

Greanted the D should be much further along.

He might of been handed with it, but he hasnt improved it much... Sure he's drafted some players, but he is failing to get the most out of those players, especially after he said "we will fix this defense".

Again, he might be a marginal talent evaluator, but he sure the hell cant back up his mouth with his product on the field...

Yes, yes Dane I know, Carl was surpressing the black man and keeping Herm from achieving his full potential as a HC...

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Except we don't know what was really going on behind the scenes between Herm and Carl. I agree this defense sucks ass, injuries or not.

I mean, if it was Herm saying, let's move Hali to LE and make no effort to go sign a serviceable LE via FA, then you got a point.

Somehow given the history of this team, it would not shock me 1 iota to know that Carl told hm this is how it was going to be cause he wasn't uping the $'s.

Carl did nothing to replace the aging O-line as well. So Herm really was handed a piece of shit O and a guy who had 0 business as an OC, as well as a weak DL save Allen, weak secondary and avg LB corps.

Greanted the D should be much further along.

Herm came to this team proclaiming he was going to fix the defense. I don't give a shit about conspiracy theories. He hasn't done it.

I could see if this was his first stop, and didn't have a resume which dictated the same bullshit over and over.

He doesn't learn from his mistakes. His baby, the defense, has regressed every year. He's drafted players with high draft picks to fix the defense. He's moved Derrick Johnson around like he's a street free agent to try to find a home for him when it's obvious he's a strongside backer (he had his best games there last year IMO).

If you are starting fresh, eliminate all ties to this organization. Herm was here before with Carl. Get rid of Gunther. Even Gailey has to go.

Let the GM pick his coach, and let that coach pick all the assistants.

I don't want one trace of the Carl Peterson regime around after the 2008 season.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Herm came to this team proclaiming he was going to fix the defense. I don't give a shit about conspiracy theories. He hasn't done it.

I expected us to take a step back on defense this year. I'm guessing Herm did, too.

For us to become the worst in the league because we lost one player is unacceptable and speaks volumes about his coaching ability and talent evaluation.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Claythan

I expected us to take a step back on defense this year. I'm guessing Herm did, too.

For us to become the worst in the league because we lost one player is unacceptable and speaks volumes about his coaching ability and talent evaluation.

Agreed.

It also speaks volumes about when he said the entire staff would be invited back next year.

Nothing would be sweeter after the New Year to read about Herm packing his bags.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Claythan

I expected us to take a step back on defense this year. I'm guessing Herm did, too.

For us to become the worst in the league because we lost one player is unacceptable and speaks volumes about his coaching ability and talent evaluation.

If you were to pin Herm down before the season, though, I don't know how far he actually thought the step back was going to be. Don't forget all the preseason bullshit about how Dorsey was going to collapse the pocket. He was supposed to be a monster, demand and control double teams, even as a rookie. This was the talk out of Arrowhead.

[Mecca]

Wait when did the Chiefs sign the best player in FA? If you're counting Holmes he just turned out to be a great move he was by no means the best thought of player in FA...

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Wait when did the Chiefs sign the best player in FA? If you're counting Holmes he just turned out to be a great move he was by no means the best thought of player in FA...

He was the after thought who would have, potentially, become a HOFer had he stayed healthy.

I had to catch myself at first, though. I was like, wait, is he talking about Alexander? WTF?

[Mecca]

I think Petegz wants Herm back because a new coach probably signals the end of Thigpen.