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Old 12-23-2008, 03:59 PM   #1
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I have a feeling after each ensuing debacle, Herm will be let go before the new GM is here...

Otherwise he wouldnt of told his asst coaches to start looking elsewhere. That is unless, Herm is getting ready for some serious bus chucking in an attempt to save his own weasel ass...
That would never happen. You're dreaming.

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Is this a race or something? I know we all clamor to get news every minute of the day but man. I'd rather he took his time. This is a 20 year decision - not a 20 day one. Let it marinate, dude.
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It endangers the "Stafford Connection".
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:06 AM   #2
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i doubt it happns until after the super bowl


i ASSume that Clark will want to at least talk to scott pioli and chris polian ........ both will require them to wait until after the SB.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:09 AM   #3
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i ASSume that Clark will want to at least talk to scott pioli and chris polian ........ both will require them to wait until after the SB.
No it won't unless the Pats and Colts deny permission.

Neither one of them have full control over personnel.

Now as far as when it will be decided who knows but they don't have to wait to interview those guys as long as they get permission.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:13 AM   #4
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No it won't unless the Pats and Colts deny permission.

Neither one of them have full control over personnel.

Now as far as when it will be decided who knows but they don't have to wait to interview those guys as long as they get permission.
that pats have already denied permission to teams before.

both are consider "high level" imo and not eligible for the teams to approach before the super bowl

VP = high level
Defensive Backs coach = low level

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Old 12-23-2008, 11:21 AM   #5
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that pats have already denied permission to teams before.

both are consider "high level" imo and not eligible for the teams to approach before the super bowl

VP = high level
Defensive Backs coach = low level

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Edit: You could be right though it seems in this article only people that have full control can't be interviewed.

You are right though the teams can deny permission.

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Thanks to a proposal passed at an NFL meeting this morning, they now have the potential to interview and hire employees of playoff teams before their playoff run is over.

Previously, there were restrictions on when teams could interview candidates under contract with playoff teams, and teams could not hire those candidates until after their seasons ended.

Basically, after the regular season ends, the Lions can request permission to interview anyone who doesn’t have full control over personnel decisions with his team. But the candidate’s team has the right to deny permission. (If the team gives permission to one team to interview a person, it must give permission to every team that asks.)

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the proposal was submitted by the competition committee, not the Lions. Ironically, former Lions president Matt Millen used to be on the competition committee.

The proposal “allows employees of playoff clubs that are not high-level employees to be interviewed by other clubs for high-level positions during the postseason with the permission of the employer club and at the convenience of the employer club (not during a specific window only) and hired,” Aiello said. “The playoff club can deny permission to all requests. If it gives permission to such a person to be interviewed, that permission must be granted to any club that requests it during the postseason. An individual that is already a high-level employee is not eligible to be interviewed.”
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:33 AM   #6
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No it won't unless the Pats and Colts deny permission.

Neither one of them have full control over personnel.

Now as far as when it will be decided who knows but they don't have to wait to interview those guys as long as they get permission.
I don't know why people continue to bring up Polian. The Colts have denied permission to interview him three teams the last two years, and it's all but set in stone that he will take over control once his dad retires.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:35 AM   #7
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I don't know why people continue to bring up Polian. The Colts have denied permission to interview him three teams the last two years, and it's all but set in stone that he will take over control once his dad retires.
I honestly didn't know they denied him from interviewing.

He was my favorite and now you ruined my Christmas. Thanks alot eazy.

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Old 12-23-2008, 11:48 AM   #8
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I don't know why people continue to bring up Polian. The Colts have denied permission to interview him three teams the last two years, and it's all but set in stone that he will take over control once his dad retires.
Yeah, he doesn't want to leave in any case. Not a realistic candidate, but the Chiefs should ask anyway.
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:25 PM   #9
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There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.

The Colts have not denied Chris Polian permission to interview with teams for GM type jobs. They cant deny him permission to interview if the job is a promotion. Polian himself has personally declined to interview for jobs, including Atlanta last year. But that was his decision, not the Colts. A few years ago Polian interviewed for some jobs with teams that werent even as high on the totem poll as the GM position. The Colts cant stop him from talking to people unless the job is a lateral move.

Same with Pioli. Pioli has turned down an offer from Seattle, and turned down a chance to interview with the Giants. But the Patriots did not refuse him from talking to those teams. Pioli decided not to himself.

Neither Polian or Pioli is a GM and neither has full control over a team. The Pats and Colts could not stop either guy from talking to the Chiefs. But Polian and Pioli themselves can decline to be interviewed, or they can be interviewed and decline the job.
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Old 12-24-2008, 12:56 PM   #10
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There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.


Neither Polian or Pioli is a GM and neither has full control over a team. The Pats and Colts could not stop either guy from talking to the Chiefs. But Polian and Pioli themselves can decline to be interviewed, or they can be interviewed and decline the job.
You're wrong on this. If they are under contract the club can deny permission. They changed the rules this year at the owner's meetings.

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Basically, after the regular season ends, the Lions can request permission to interview anyone who doesn’t have full control over personnel decisions with his team. But the candidate’s team has the right to deny permission. (If the team gives permission to one team to interview a person, it must give permission to every team that asks.)
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:18 AM   #11
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:27 AM   #12
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810 also said Herm was pushing for Kurhiric(spelling)
and when that didn't go over with Clark
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:39 AM   #13
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Not just GM but the rest of the personell department on down will be interesting how that fills out. First with Kuharich. He might not be able to get another GM shot because of the Ricky williams trade and be like Al Saunders was when Gun got HC. Saunders of course left and Kuharich could take the same route. Who knows what his feelings are on the matter.

So actually, a guy Like DeCosta as Director of College Scouting could be brought in as an asst. GM or VP of player personell(Kuharich's current title) and it would still be a promotion.

It will be interesting what happens to Ray Farmer too. He came in the same time as Herm as director of Pro personell.
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It will be interesting what happens to Ray Farmer too. He came in the same time as Herm as director of Pro personell.
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Old 12-23-2008, 12:07 PM   #15
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