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Mecca · 01-15-2009, 07:18 PM

If you take a OT with a top 5 pick and he ends up playing guard that is a pretty crippling pick...

And also if you're picking that high you're already pretty well crippled.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-15-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you take a OT with a top 5 pick and he ends up playing guard that is a pretty crippling pick...

And also if you're picking that high you're already pretty well crippled.

No, it's not, because your still getting some value out of the pick, and he's not single-handedly stalling your offense.

And you continue to fail to realize that I'm talking about CONTINUING to be crippled. Even if you've missed with a high pick at another position, you should still be able to improve the team.

A bust at QB all but guarantees you're going to continue to suck.

Mecca · 01-15-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No, it's not, because your still getting some value out of the pick, and he's not single-handedly stalling your offense.

And you continue to fail to realize that I'm talking about CONTINUING to be crippled. Even if you've missed with a high pick at another position, you should still be able to improve the team.

A bust at QB all but guarantees you're going to continue to suck.

I just disagree with that, if you're top 5 pick OT ends up at guard that's bad..now you got this super expensive guard who was drafted way to high.

I also don't think the whole "well if he sucks he can be moved and be ok here" should ever be weighed when drafting, especially in drafting to 5.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-15-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I just disagree with that, if you're top 5 pick OT ends up at guard that's bad..now you got this super expensive guard who was drafted way to high.

I also don't think the whole "well if he sucks he can be moved and be ok here" should ever be weighed when drafting, especially in drafting to 5.

I'm not saying that you consider it when your drafting.

But again, you're GETTING SOMETHING out of that pick, and not stalling your offense in the meantime.

If give the choice, would you rather have a LT that gets moved to guard, albeit overpaid, and produces?

Or would you rather have a QB, that is costing you financially, and on the field? And limiting his offensive teammates as well?

Reerun_KC · 01-15-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Or would you rather have a QB, that is costing you financially, and on the field? And limiting his offensive teammates as well?

We have had those types of QB for the better part of the last 20 years... Arent you ready to try something else?

Chiefless · 01-16-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not saying that you consider it when your drafting.

But again, you're GETTING SOMETHING out of that pick, and not stalling your offense in the meantime.

If give the choice, would you rather have a LT that gets moved to guard, albeit overpaid, and produces?

Or would you rather have a QB, that is costing you financially, and on the field? And limiting his offensive teammates as well?

I'd rather have neither.

I see your point, but IMO if you draft an LT at #3 you are expecting Orlando Pace or Willie Roaf in return. If you Get Trezelle Jenkins instead I think it crushes you finanancially and limits his teammates on the field. The LT affects every position on the offense in some way. The same can be said for almost every position on the field. Maybe not to the degree a QB does, but still a major bust is a major bust. There is no way around the fact that it hurts you badly.

keg in kc · 01-15-2009, 08:28 PM

I don't have a problem taking a quarterback 3rd, if there's a QB there with that kind of value. But I think going in dead set that you're taking that position because you're desperate and grasping for straws isn't any better than doing that for any other spot on the roster. And I'm not sold on any of the QBs in the '09 class. Yet. I liked Ryan this time last year, but I just don't get the same gut feeling on any of them. But I also didn't watch as much college FB this year thanks to a heavy fall workload, so they could be better than I think.

Either way, I think you don't stop drafting QBs once you have one, either. It's kind of like running back in that you better have the next one ready to go. Although I obviously wouldn't spend repeated 1st round picks on the position if I had one in his prime. But I sure as hell would draft mid- to late-round ones if I thought they could be developed.

**MahiMike** · 01-15-2009, 09:32 PM

We ain't drafting a QB. Cassel is packing his bags.

Reerun_KC · 01-15-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

We ain't drafting a QB. Cassel is packing his bags.

Can you imagine the first time Herm forces something stupid into the huddle the look on Cassels face will be priceless...

It would suck coming from a professional coaching staff to this mockery we have here...

**The Bad Guy** · 01-15-2009, 10:23 PM

The way that Pioli talked of Cassel, I'm sure he will put a call in to see what the compensation would be.

There is no way in hell I'd give up a #1 for him, but a 2 in this draft, and a 4 next year and I might do it.

It just depends. I'm willing to put total faith in Pioli to see what he can come up with.

One thing I'm fairly certain about is that Thigpen won't be the starting QB of this team next year.

**DeezNutz** · 01-15-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The way that Pioli talked of Cassel, I'm sure he will put a call in to see what the compensation would be.

There is no way in hell I'd give up a #1 for him, but a 2 in this draft, and a 4 next year and I might do it.

It just depends. I'm willing to put total faith in Pioli to see what he can come up with.

One thing I'm fairly certain about is that Thigpen won't be the starting QB of this team next year.

It all could be bullshit, but Pioli does seem to think a lot of Cassel.

For shits and grins, what are the Planet's thoughts about the following?:

Chiefs and Pats swap first-round picks (#3 and #23), Chiefs give up a third, and Chiefs receive Cassel.

I would say no, but if Pioli really wanted Cassel...and I'm not sure if this would be enough...

greyhoodie · 01-16-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The way that Pioli talked of Cassel, I'm sure he will put a call in to see what the compensation would be.

There is no way in hell I'd give up a #1 for him, but a 2 in this draft, and a 4 next year and I might do it.

It just depends. I'm willing to put total faith in Pioli to see what he can come up with.

One thing I'm fairly certain about is that Thigpen won't be the starting QB of this team next year.

I doubt NE wants KC's third. I doubt Pioli wants it either, but KC has enough cap room that he can afford it. BB would be more inclined to take KC 2nd round this year and another pick next year, than the third overall.

Nightfyre · 01-16-2009, 10:47 AM

It sounded to me like Pioli already had his eyes, if not his heart, set on someone at QB. If that's the case, I suspect we are already in a position to succeed.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-16-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bkkcoh

We can instantly upgrade our football with improving the defense and adding pieces to the offensive line. I think Thigpen is a good enough QB that we don't have to draft a QB with the 3rd pick. We can take a QB later. Unless a sure-fire, superstar QB is available, and we all know that that isn't the case. There might be a really good one, but is he good enough to take a chance on with the 3rd pick.

What's this "we all know shit"? What do you do when you "assume"? Quite so.

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

I don't want a QB that is just "good enough". I want a Peyton Manning....a Tom Brady *cringe*.....I want a ****ing franchise QB.

Exactly.

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It sounded to me like Pioli already had his eyes, if not his heart, set on someone at QB. If that's the case, I suspect we are already in a position to succeed.

Naaailed it! If we assume Pioli's going to pull the trigger in the first-round, that look on his face when he made that comment leaves NO question in my mind as to who he was thinking of.
I've seen that look before. It's a part of the reaction one has when watching Mark Sanchez play a great game for the first time.

DrRyan · 01-16-2009, 04:38 PM

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Naaailed it! If we assume Pioli's going to pull the trigger in the first-round, that look on his face when he made that comment leaves NO question in my mind as to who he was thinking of.
I've seen that look before. It's a part of the reaction one has when watching Mark Sanchez play a great game for the first time.

I preface this by saying I will support whatever Pioli's decision is with the #3 pick. But Mark Sanchez? Really? You are that sold on the guy after he starts for one season at USC? I would say that is putting an awful lot of stock in a very small sample. If the Chiefs were drafting somewhere in the 12-20 range in the first round I would say drafting Sanchez makes more sense. But, dumping $50+ million into a guy with one season of college starts under his belt seems like a very high risk, possibly high reward situation.

I await your tantrum Mecca, DCS and the rest of the Sanchez Kool-Aid drinkers.

01-15-2009, 08:28 PM	#7
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I don't have a problem taking a quarterback 3rd, if there's a QB there with that kind of value. But I think going in dead set that you're taking that position because you're desperate and grasping for straws isn't any better than doing that for any other spot on the roster. And I'm not sold on any of the QBs in the '09 class. Yet. I liked Ryan this time last year, but I just don't get the same gut feeling on any of them. But I also didn't watch as much college FB this year thanks to a heavy fall workload, so they could be better than I think. Either way, I think you don't stop drafting QBs once you have one, either. It's kind of like running back in that you better have the next one ready to go. Although I obviously wouldn't spend repeated 1st round picks on the position if I had one in his prime. But I sure as hell would draft mid- to late-round ones if I thought they could be developed.
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01-15-2009, 09:32 PM	#8
MahiMike He's Mahomie! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Jax, FL Casino cash: $10023443	We ain't drafting a QB. Cassel is packing his bags.
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01-15-2009, 10:23 PM	#10
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	The way that Pioli talked of Cassel, I'm sure he will put a call in to see what the compensation would be. There is no way in hell I'd give up a #1 for him, but a 2 in this draft, and a 4 next year and I might do it. It just depends. I'm willing to put total faith in Pioli to see what he can come up with. One thing I'm fairly certain about is that Thigpen won't be the starting QB of this team next year. __________________
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01-16-2009, 10:47 AM	#13
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1298849	It sounded to me like Pioli already had his eyes, if not his heart, set on someone at QB. If that's the case, I suspect we are already in a position to succeed.
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01-15-2009, 07:18 PM	#1
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-732950	If you take a OT with a top 5 pick and he ends up playing guard that is a pretty crippling pick... And also if you're picking that high you're already pretty well crippled.
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