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-King- · 02-10-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaid

The first Super Bowl the Steelers won in spite of Rothlisberger. He played very badly in that game.

...and that awesome throw at the end of this game? Rothlisberger himself said that he didn't even see the db until he let go of the ball and then he thought he threw an int. Check out this video at about 1:40. Yes he's a decent QB but out of all the true franchise QB's, I'd probably take him last.

Thanks, I posted the quote earlier but there is no denying this. Their whole "only a franchise qb makes that throw" argument goes out of the window.

Mecca · 02-09-2009, 06:34 AM

You aren't going to win anything with a QB and nothing else...you have to be good on both sides of the ball.

The Steelers were the 90's Chiefs till they finally got a legit QB, makes some sense huh?

CrazyHorse · 02-09-2009, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You aren't going to win anything with a QB and nothing else...you have to be good on both sides of the ball.

The Steelers were the 90's Chiefs till they finally got a legit QB, makes some sense huh?

Never said he wasn't legit, or that he was shitty. I said he wasn't great, and he's not.

I will argue however that you cant just throw any semblance of players together and have the #1 defense in the NFL. Are you saying Ben would have been in and won the SB with a middle of the road defense this season?

beach tribe · 02-09-2009, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Never said he wasn't legit, or that he was shitty. I said he wasn't great, and he's not.

I will argue however that you cant just throw any semblance of players together and have the #1 defense in the NFL. Are you saying Ben would have been in and won the SB with a middle of the road defense this season?

And you can't have an awesome D, and just throw any QB back there, and expect to win the SB.

CrazyHorse · 02-09-2009, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

And you can't have an awesome D, and just throw any QB back there, and expect to win the SB.

I agree.

Kerberos · 02-09-2009, 06:37 AM

The Steelers only ask Big Ben to do enough to win games. No more. No Less.

Is he ever going to break any of Marino's or Favre's records? Probably not. But how may SB did Marino win? How many did Favre Win?

Saying that Rothlisberger isn't that good because of stats is kind of dumbassery and blind homerism if you are comparing Thigpen to him. Could Thiggy have won more games if we had a Defense like Blitzbergs? I am certain of it. But to think he can clutch win games is an uncertain cause he hasn't show he can do it. Ben has.

Keep doubting Big Ben as he will no doubt take the "Berg" to yet another SB in the next 5 years if I was a betting man.

BTW this is IMO.

CrazyHorse · 02-09-2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kerberos

The Steelers only ask Big Ben to do enough to win games. No more. No Less.

Is he ever going to break any of Marino's or Favre's records? Probably not. But how may SB did Marino win? How many did Favre Win?

Saying that Rothlisberger isn't that good because of stats is kind of dumbassery and blind homerism if you are comparing Thigpen to him. Could Thigpen have won more games if we had a Defense like Blitzbergs? I am certain of it. But to think he can clutch win games is an uncertain cause he hasn't show he can do it. Ben has.

Keep doubting Big Ben as he will no doubt take the "Berg" to yet another SB in the next 5 years if I was a betting man.

BTW this is IMO.

Dont know if they will win another one in the next 5 years. But this is certainly a reasonable post. I agree with this.

EyePod · 02-09-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kerberos

The Steelers only ask Big Ben to do enough to win games. No more. No Less.

Is he ever going to break any of Marino's or Favre's records? Probably not. But how may SB did Marino win? How many did Favre Win?

Saying that Rothlisberger isn't that good because of stats is kind of dumbassery and blind homerism if you are comparing Thigpen to him. Could Thigpen have won more games if we had a Defense like Blitzbergs? I am certain of it. But to think he can clutch win games is an uncertain cause he hasn't show he can do it. Ben has.

Keep doubting Big Ben as he will no doubt take the "Berg" to yet another SB in the next 5 years if I was a betting man.

BTW this is IMO.

It's impossible to compare the two with just stats. What I think we should do is to say that Flacco and Ryan had better stats, but if you take into consideration Thigpen's terrible, terrible defense, Thigpen had a pretty good year and is worth considering for next.

Mecca · 02-09-2009, 06:41 AM

The Steelers have consistently had a top notch defense while cycling in new players at a pretty high rate and consistently walking away from other players...

Their defense is as much system and coaching as it is players.

CrazyHorse · 02-09-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The Steelers have consistently had a top notch defense while cycling in new players at a pretty high rate and consistently walking away from other players...

Their defense is as much system and coaching as it is players.

Okay.

Are you saying they're not the best in the league? What's your point?

I thought you were one of the self proclaimed geniuses on this board. But your negotiating skills, and reading comprehension are poor.

InChiefsHeaven · 02-09-2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Okay.

Are you saying they're not the best in the league? What's your point?

I thought you were one of the self proclaimed geniuses on this board. But your negotiating skills, and reading apprehension are poor.

Why would he be apprehensive about reading?

CrazyHorse · 02-09-2009, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Why would he be apprehensive about reading?

Ha ha. What a dumbass I am.

Comprehension,

He does seem a little apprehensive though

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-09-2009, 06:43 AM

I like Tyler, but this is getting silly. Tyler does not have the accuracy right now to compare to these other guys. Love the mobility and IF he could improve his accuracy and drops from under center he'd be dangerous, but that is a huge IF. It is a big enough concern to not pass on a QB with our top 3 pick. Big Ben is a great QB and probably could put up big stats if they decided to throw the ball more. But, he is not asked to do that, so his numbers aren't as good. The defense helps, but it keeps his numbers in check because of the way they play.

Agent V · 02-09-2009, 07:16 AM

All Thigpen has proven is based on his part in the revitalization/gimmickization of the offense, he deserves CONTENTION for a QB spot. That's it. Do I think he deserves a starting spot in a pro-style offense? No.

I like the kid, I really do. I was a huge supporter when he was playing until I hit a realization: he's sloppy, he's only proven he can play in the spread, he's not clutch (I cite the Denver game, but I guess it's just something he hasn't proven), and his accuracy, especially throwing the long ball, is shit.

At his age, what CAN he do to improve accuracy?

tmax63 · 02-09-2009, 07:44 AM

I've talked to football players who don't think the spread is just a gimmick. Getting as much distance between players as you can and exploiting 1-on-1 match-ups isn't as crazy as it sounds. Just like the no-huddle doesn't allow substitutions to exploit match-ups. Will it take over the NFL, not at all, but folks I have talked to seem to think it will find a home and a usefulness for teams that don't do the "wildcat" or other gimmicks to gain an advantage.

02-09-2009, 06:34 AM	#2
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	You aren't going to win anything with a QB and nothing else...you have to be good on both sides of the ball. The Steelers were the 90's Chiefs till they finally got a legit QB, makes some sense huh?
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02-09-2009, 06:37 AM	#6
Kerberos Chiefs Baby Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Henderson, NV Casino cash: $10000632	The Steelers only ask Big Ben to do enough to win games. No more. No Less. Is he ever going to break any of Marino's or Favre's records? Probably not. But how may SB did Marino win? How many did Favre Win? Saying that Rothlisberger isn't that good because of stats is kind of dumbassery and blind homerism if you are comparing Thigpen to him. Could Thiggy have won more games if we had a Defense like Blitzbergs? I am certain of it. But to think he can clutch win games is an uncertain cause he hasn't show he can do it. Ben has. Keep doubting Big Ben as he will no doubt take the "Berg" to yet another SB in the next 5 years if I was a betting man. BTW this is IMO.
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02-09-2009, 06:41 AM	#9
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	The Steelers have consistently had a top notch defense while cycling in new players at a pretty high rate and consistently walking away from other players... Their defense is as much system and coaching as it is players.
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02-09-2009, 06:43 AM	#13
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $88880	I like Tyler, but this is getting silly. Tyler does not have the accuracy right now to compare to these other guys. Love the mobility and IF he could improve his accuracy and drops from under center he'd be dangerous, but that is a huge IF. It is a big enough concern to not pass on a QB with our top 3 pick. Big Ben is a great QB and probably could put up big stats if they decided to throw the ball more. But, he is not asked to do that, so his numbers aren't as good. The defense helps, but it keeps his numbers in check because of the way they play.
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02-09-2009, 07:16 AM	#14
Agent V Bring me Geno. Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	All Thigpen has proven is based on his part in the revitalization/gimmickization of the offense, he deserves CONTENTION for a QB spot. That's it. Do I think he deserves a starting spot in a pro-style offense? No. I like the kid, I really do. I was a huge supporter when he was playing until I hit a realization: he's sloppy, he's only proven he can play in the spread, he's not clutch (I cite the Denver game, but I guess it's just something he hasn't proven), and his accuracy, especially throwing the long ball, is shit. At his age, what CAN he do to improve accuracy?
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02-09-2009, 07:44 AM	#15
tmax63 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $433600	I've talked to football players who don't think the spread is just a gimmick. Getting as much distance between players as you can and exploiting 1-on-1 match-ups isn't as crazy as it sounds. Just like the no-huddle doesn't allow substitutions to exploit match-ups. Will it take over the NFL, not at all, but folks I have talked to seem to think it will find a home and a usefulness for teams that don't do the "wildcat" or other gimmicks to gain an advantage. __________________ An armed member of society is a citizen, an unarmed member is a subject.
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