Chiefs Whitlock- It’s OK to question Pioli and the Chiefs - Page 3

Adept Havelock · 03-08-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

It's like Whitlock thinks he's doling out some sort of "punishment" by saying, until you talk to me I'm going to question all of your moves. Somehow I don't think Pioli cares.

Yep. Another Half-Whit whine fest.

wild1 · 03-08-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

It's like Whitlock thinks he's doling out some sort of "punishment" by saying, until you talk to me I'm going to question all of your moves. Somehow I don't think Pioli cares.

Whitlock made the point well that the team's success has nothing to do with the media. The media only pry and create tension and distractions. Pioli has nothing to gain by playing ball with agitators.

The media is the only group with something to lose.

Chiefaholic · 03-08-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

Whitlock made the point well that the team's success has nothing to do with the media. The media only pry and create tension and distractions. Pioli has nothing to gain by playing ball with agitators.

The media is the only group with something to lose.

Agree 100%.. Positive media coverage doesn't sell papers, and Pioli doesn't need to waste his time with PR when this franchise has this many holes to fill. When they make any significant moves, the media will find out and they can critigue him then. Otherwise leave the man alone and let him do what Clark paid him to do. I'm sure Whitless can find many other racist topics to write about.

**RealSNR** · 03-08-2009, 01:22 PM

Whitlock is saying I CAN question Pioli?

NO SHIT SHERLOCK.

Should I question Pioli at this point, after his new team hasn't even taken an offseason snap in PRACTICE?

Whitlock is obviously hurt by all this. It's also hilarious that he doesn't bring up the fact that Clark Hunt was doing the exact same shit when/before he hired Pioli. Didn't leak out ANYTHING about any possible hires or how the deals were coming... NOTHING. And yet Pioli is the one responsible for Whitlock having nothing to report?

Whitlock is obviously crying because he can't bitch about Carl, LJ, or race relations right now. And he won't get a chance to for awhile. He won't have any decent column with any pertinent information until the ****ing draft. He's upset by this, and this where the article came from. He really needs to stop being a fat crybaby.

**the Talking Can** · 03-08-2009, 09:48 AM

wait, is fatlock claiming to be a journalist now?

you know, someone who actually works to uncover and report on a story?

yes, we need those...we always need those

we don't need columnists...they do nothing but offer up generally childish and dumb opinions....i hope to god Pioli ignores them...that was Carl's problem, he couldn't ignore them...

if Pioli never read a word written by a columnist in Kansas City it would be a major step towards success for this franchise...

HC_Chief · 03-08-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

wait, is fatlock claiming to be a journalist now?

you know, someone who actually works to uncover and report on a story?

yes, we need those...we always need those

we don't need columnists...they do nothing but offer up generally childish and dumb opinions....i hope to god Pioli ignores them...that was Carl's problem, he couldn't ignore them...

if Pioli never read a word written by a columnist in Kansas City it would be a major step towards success for this franchise...

Superlative.

**morphius** · 03-08-2009, 10:05 AM

Well, when you can't get any information I guess you have to write crap like this. Sure it is okay to question what Pioli does, but right now not a lot has happened to make any real complaints.

Jack · 03-08-2009, 10:10 AM

Truth and accurate news reporting are strange bedfellows and the main reason I haven't subscribed to any news papers in the last decade. They are entertainers and nothing more. Whitlock defining his role as watchdog is quite a reach. His fumbling, rambling narrative leaves so much to be desired.

I could care less if they consider Pioli aloof and arrogant. Bottom line is I want to see the team win. Here is arrogance:

"He’s brainwashed his players into believing the media are evil, incompetent and stirrers of chaos. Obviously, we are not perfect. A collection of human beings cannot be flawless. There are instances when individual moments of incompetence make the media appear wicked or solely interested in controversy."

Coogs · 03-08-2009, 10:13 AM

I will have to agree with Whitlock on this one. 610 AND 810 are both damn near unbearable to listen to anymore.

**DaFace** · 03-08-2009, 10:18 AM

This is just stupid. Comparing Pioli to Bush? Come on now. One is the head of a governmental entity (the U.S. government). We all have no choice but to pay taxes to that entity, so we have a right to question the moves they make. And while there is no set rule saying so, if 90 percent of the people feel one way about an issue, that individual has an obligation to try and make sure that strong majority wins out.

The other is the head of a privately-owned business. No one is forced to give them a dime. It doesn't matter whether the media questions them or not, they are going to act in the best interest of the team (and moreso of the business). Every person in Kansas City could feel one way about what the Chiefs should do, and they don't have to do a damn thing. It's not even in the same ball park.

Whitlock's just pissed that he doesn't have anything fun to write about anymore, so he gripes about not having anything to write about (but pins it on Pioli).

Chiefaholic · 03-08-2009, 10:19 AM

Comparing Pioli to Carl is rediculous. The two are night and day different in almost every aspect of the game.

1. Carl = 20 years....Advanced to AFC Championship once
Pioli = 6 years.....3 Superbowl Rings

2. Carl = Releys on free agency to patch holes for mediocracy
Pioli = Builds through draft and fills roster with second teir FA's

3. Carl = Strokes ego by telling media when he takes a piss
Pioli = Keeps internal decisions quiet until the "DEAL IS DONE"

4. Carl = SUCKS at drafting starter caliber players
Pioli = Proven record of drafting quality players in later rounds

5. Carl = Hated by other franchises, agents, players, and fans
Pioli = Respected by everybody that matters (**** the media)

6. Carl = Boo'ed by the fans in HIS stadium
Pioli = Fans cheered as he hoisted the Lombardi Trophy

7. Carl = Spends the offseason on vacation and making speeches to the media to stroke his ego

Pioli = Spends the offseason hiring the best staff possible, studying game tape, looking for AFFORDABLE FA's that allow us to build a TEAM, and preparing for the draft in detail.

I could go on for hours....

kc-nd · 03-08-2009, 10:38 AM

Jason,

Use your brain. Report on what is happening.

You don't need to talk to someone - or have someone say something - in order to be a better journalist.

If you have to have someone explain everything to you, how are you ever going to learn to think?

Mojo Jojo · 03-08-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic

Comparing Pioli to Carl is rediculous. The two are night and day different in almost every aspect of the game.

1. Carl = 20 years....Advanced to AFC Championship once
Pioli = 6 years.....3 Superbowl Rings

2. Carl = Releys on free agency to patch holes for mediocracy
Pioli = Builds through draft and fills roster with second teir FA's

3. Carl = Strokes ego by telling media when he takes a piss
Pioli = Keeps internal decisions quiet until the "DEAL IS DONE"

4. Carl = SUCKS at drafting starter caliber players
Pioli = Proven record of drafting quality players in later rounds

5. Carl = Hated by other franchises, agents, players, and fans
Pioli = Respected by everybody that matters (**** the media)

6. Carl = Boo'ed by the fans in HIS stadium
Pioli = Fans cheered as he hoisted the Lombardi Trophy

7. Carl = Spends the offseason on vacation and making speeches to the media to stroke his ego

Pioli = Spends the offseason hiring the best staff possible, studying game tape, looking for AFFORDABLE FA's that allow us to build a TEAM, and preparing for the draft in detail.

I could go on for hours....

I know you could and it still would be useless...

1. What has Pioli done without BB... a coach he didn't hire and TB a QB he didn't want to draft?

2. Carl did build through the late rounds...he just never hit on round 1 and 2.
FYI tier...i before e.

3. Everyone on this board bitched when Carl wouldn't give an up to the minute report, but Scott is a god for doing the same. FYI...if you think the NFL hated the Chiefs before wait until they do the Pats way. It will only get worse.

4.See number two.

5. WRONG. ESPN loved Carl...other teams knew Carl was doing well. Ask people and media...exect for the rings (yes a big deal) they hate the way the Patriots do business.

6. Yes he was boo'd so was Jack Stedman they man who talked Lamar into bringing the Chiefs to KC. Using your logic the Chiefs should never have come here because someone will get boo'd.

7. What do you know Scott is doing? I thought this was all about no info from One Arrowhead Drive.

Pioli is just another GM. He has done nothing on his own. He is just one of 31 other guys who are allowed to be questioned about their actions.

Chiefaholic · 03-08-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo

I know you could and it still would be useless...

1. What has Pioli done without BB... a coach he didn't hire and TB a QB he didn't want to draft?

2. Carl did build through the late rounds...he just never hit on round 1 and 2.
FYI tier...i before e.

3. Everyone on this board bitched when Carl wouldn't give an up to the minute report, but Scott is a god for doing the same. FYI...if you think the NFL hated the Chiefs before wait until they do the Pats way. It will only get worse.

4.See number two.

5. WRONG. ESPN loved Carl...other teams knew Carl was doing well. Ask people and media...exect for the rings (yes a big deal) they hate the way the Patriots do business.

6. Yes he was boo'd so was Jack Stedman they man who talked Lamar into bringing the Chiefs to KC. Using your logic the Chiefs should never have come here because someone will get boo'd.

7. What do you know Scott is doing? I thought this was all about no info from One Arrowhead Drive.

Pioli is just another GM. He has done nothing on his own. He is just one of 31 other guys who are allowed to be questioned about their actions.

1. Kind of hard to answer what he's done considering he hasn't had the opportunity. I guess BB must have been BS'ing about all the positive things he's said about Pioli.

2. The Pats are full of players they drafted and did VERY well as a result. Carl's starters were everybody's trash or overpaid players. "I befor E".... shove it up your keyster

3. Pioli cares about building a team, NOT a bunch of armcharm QB's on an internet board. Players AND agents HATED Carl, thus we missed out on key additions that could have turned this team around. The same can't be said for Pioli. How many draft day trades did Carl accomplish, and how many did Pioli? This isn't even a debate... F*** the media and the armchair QB's who feel the franchise is obligated to tell them every time somebody takes a piss at One Arrowhead Drive.

4. Ditto

5. Pioli respected by everybody that MATTERS. This isn't debatable, it's a fact.

6. What does Steadman and the Chiefs moving to KC have anything to do with Carl Peterson being an overbearing and obnoxious jerk? The players and agents hated to negotiate with Peterson, it's a fact...no debate.

7. FYI What do you know Scott is doing? I guess I can be a smartass to and correct your grammar. It's "How do you know what Scott is doing?" [/smartass] Not to play Captain Obvious here, but it's pretty obvious isn't it? Bringing in assistants and coordinators, on the phone making trades, watching game film of current players on the roster, and preparing for the draft. That's just the information released to the public. So to answer your question... I read all the information and watch video clips made available to me. Everything I just said was a statement straight from Pioli's mouth.

Just Passin' By · 03-08-2009, 10:53 AM

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But overall, we attempt to be a watchdog of those with power. When we fail to play that role, generally speaking, terrible things happen. The Iraq War is a worst-case scenario. We trusted our president implicitly, led the cheers when we declared war on Iraq and declined to demand answers to difficult questions. Hundreds of billions of dollars later, and with our economy in collapse, we now blame poor, minority homeowners for the fall of our society.

It's blatant lies like these that have contributed so greatly to the downfall of the mainstream media. To make matters worse, he's putting such blatant political lies in a sports column. When people ask me my opinion as to why I think print media is in its death throes, I point to crap like this.

03-08-2009, 01:22 PM	#4
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1614792	Whitlock is saying I CAN question Pioli? NO SHIT SHERLOCK. Should I question Pioli at this point, after his new team hasn't even taken an offseason snap in PRACTICE? Whitlock is obviously hurt by all this. It's also hilarious that he doesn't bring up the fact that Clark Hunt was doing the exact same shit when/before he hired Pioli. Didn't leak out ANYTHING about any possible hires or how the deals were coming... NOTHING. And yet Pioli is the one responsible for Whitlock having nothing to report? Whitlock is obviously crying because he can't bitch about Carl, LJ, or race relations right now. And he won't get a chance to for awhile. He won't have any decent column with any pertinent information until the ****ing draft. He's upset by this, and this where the article came from. He really needs to stop being a fat crybaby.
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03-08-2009, 09:48 AM	#5
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9092208	wait, is fatlock claiming to be a journalist now? you know, someone who actually works to uncover and report on a story? yes, we need those...we always need those we don't need columnists...they do nothing but offer up generally childish and dumb opinions....i hope to god Pioli ignores them...that was Carl's problem, he couldn't ignore them... if Pioli never read a word written by a columnist in Kansas City it would be a major step towards success for this franchise... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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03-08-2009, 10:05 AM	#7
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $5695027	Well, when you can't get any information I guess you have to write crap like this. Sure it is okay to question what Pioli does, but right now not a lot has happened to make any real complaints.
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03-08-2009, 10:10 AM	#8
Jack Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Centralia, WA Casino cash: $10005010	Truth and accurate news reporting are strange bedfellows and the main reason I haven't subscribed to any news papers in the last decade. They are entertainers and nothing more. Whitlock defining his role as watchdog is quite a reach. His fumbling, rambling narrative leaves so much to be desired. I could care less if they consider Pioli aloof and arrogant. Bottom line is I want to see the team win. Here is arrogance: "He’s brainwashed his players into believing the media are evil, incompetent and stirrers of chaos. Obviously, we are not perfect. A collection of human beings cannot be flawless. There are instances when individual moments of incompetence make the media appear wicked or solely interested in controversy."
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03-08-2009, 10:13 AM	#9
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2345651	I will have to agree with Whitlock on this one. 610 AND 810 are both damn near unbearable to listen to anymore.
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03-08-2009, 10:18 AM	#10
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-1963101	This is just stupid. Comparing Pioli to Bush? Come on now. One is the head of a governmental entity (the U.S. government). We all have no choice but to pay taxes to that entity, so we have a right to question the moves they make. And while there is no set rule saying so, if 90 percent of the people feel one way about an issue, that individual has an obligation to try and make sure that strong majority wins out. The other is the head of a privately-owned business. No one is forced to give them a dime. It doesn't matter whether the media questions them or not, they are going to act in the best interest of the team (and moreso of the business). Every person in Kansas City could feel one way about what the Chiefs should do, and they don't have to do a damn thing. It's not even in the same ball park. Whitlock's just pissed that he doesn't have anything fun to write about anymore, so he gripes about not having anything to write about (but pins it on Pioli).
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03-08-2009, 10:19 AM	#11
Chiefaholic Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $300027	Comparing Pioli to Carl is rediculous. The two are night and day different in almost every aspect of the game. 1. Carl = 20 years....Advanced to AFC Championship once Pioli = 6 years.....3 Superbowl Rings 2. Carl = Releys on free agency to patch holes for mediocracy Pioli = Builds through draft and fills roster with second teir FA's 3. Carl = Strokes ego by telling media when he takes a piss Pioli = Keeps internal decisions quiet until the "DEAL IS DONE" 4. Carl = SUCKS at drafting starter caliber players Pioli = Proven record of drafting quality players in later rounds 5. Carl = Hated by other franchises, agents, players, and fans Pioli = Respected by everybody that matters (**** the media) 6. Carl = Boo'ed by the fans in HIS stadium Pioli = Fans cheered as he hoisted the Lombardi Trophy 7. Carl = Spends the offseason on vacation and making speeches to the media to stroke his ego Pioli = Spends the offseason hiring the best staff possible, studying game tape, looking for AFFORDABLE FA's that allow us to build a TEAM, and preparing for the draft in detail. I could go on for hours....
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03-08-2009, 10:38 AM	#12
kc-nd Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Casino cash: $1674900	Jason, Use your brain. Report on what is happening. You don't need to talk to someone - or have someone say something - in order to be a better journalist. If you have to have someone explain everything to you, how are you ever going to learn to think?
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