Chiefs Chiefs sticking with spread offense? - Page 4

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

New England and Arizona didn't.
Kansas City, at times, did.

The shotgun does not = the spread.

The spread does not equal the spread option. And, YES, both NE and Arizona DID run the spread offense.

Sully · 03-10-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

The spread does not equal the spread option. And, YES, both NE and Arizona DID run the spread offense.

OK.
So back this up.
What has you convinced they were running the spread?

RustShack · 03-10-2009, 09:58 AM

I love how people think lining up in the shotgun is the "spread' too

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

I love how people think lining up in the shotgun is the "spread' too

Do you understand that there is a difference between the spread offense and the spread option? You can run the spread offense without the spread option. I think that is largely confused.

RustShack · 03-10-2009, 10:10 AM

Cassel was the #8 QB in the nation coming out of HS where he lined up under center. He went to USC who runs a pro style offense. He was the backup to Heisman trophy winner Carson Palmer who was drafted #1 overall and was also his roomate and best man in his wedding. Cassel almost beat out Matt Leinart in college. He still got some playing time and you would be foolish to think he didn't get any snaps in practice either. He has far more experience running a Pro Style offense than Thigpen does. Cassel also had better NFL coaching than Thigpen has received so far too.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Cassel was the #8 QB in the nation coming out of HS where he lined up under center. He went to USC who runs a pro style offense. He was the backup to Heisman trophy winner Carson Palmer who was drafted #1 overall and was also his roomate and best man in his wedding. Cassel almost beat out Matt Leinart in college. He still got some playing time and you would be foolish to think he didn't get any snaps in practice either. He has far more experience running a Pro Style offense than Thigpen does. Cassel also had better NFL coaching than Thigpen has received so far too.

Hey, you don't have to sell me on Cassel... I liked the move a good bit.

I agree that right now, Cassel is much more equipped to go under center. I agree that right now, Cassel is more ready than Thigpen to start for this team.

I just think that he will be running the spread a lot this year, and I know he ran it a lot last year... and had his best success in it.

RustShack · 03-10-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Hey, you don't have to sell me on Cassel... I liked the move a good bit.

I agree that right now, Cassel is much more equipped to go under center. I agree that right now, Cassel is more ready than Thigpen to start for this team.

I just think that he will be running the spread a lot this year, and I know he ran it a lot last year... and had his best success in it.

Oh yeah I know we will use it, the difference is Cassel CAN line and will also line up under center helping the offense a lot more.

Micjones · 03-10-2009, 10:16 AM

As long as we balance the offense out, run plays from under Center, and establish the ground game I think we should continue to include it in our overall offensive philosophy.

Chiefs Pantalones · 03-10-2009, 10:20 AM

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CoMoChief · 03-10-2009, 10:22 AM

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CoMoChief · 03-10-2009, 10:23 AM

All I know is that we better score 40 pts a game with the defense we have.

keg in kc · 03-10-2009, 10:24 AM

I'm sure they will use the spread. Probably a lot. I don't think it will be anything like the high school gimmick they ran last year, though. Unless Cassel gets hurt and they end up scrapping everything so they can simplify the scheme for the third stringer again.

Chiefnj2 · 03-10-2009, 10:25 AM

Footballoutsiders.com

All About the System

Between new GM Scott Pioli and new head coach Todd Haley, I'd say that Cassel is actually in the perfect environment to make a real go of it. In his time working with Bill Belichick in New England, Pioli got a front-row view of Cassel's strengths and weaknesses. And when he helped the Cardinals to the Super Bowl last year as Arizona's offensive coordinator, Haley ran an extremely productive attack with a lot of shotgun sets. This is where Cassel will thrive.

In 2008, Arizona quarterback Kurt Warner threw 598 regular-season passes. 412 of them were in a shotgun formation. That's 69.8 percent of his attempts, which would have been high for just about any other quarterback -- except for Cassel. Of Cassel's 516 attempts in 2008, 405 came from the shotgun -- an astonishing 78 percent. Both the Cardinals and Patriots are used to shotgun, three-wide sets with three receivers, and Kansas City's use of the Pistol formation, with quarterback Tyler Thigpen last season, gave tight end Tony Gonzalez unprecedented opportunities that he could very well see again.

There are times when players go from system to system and lose whatever it was that made them great. Matt Cassel is fortunate in that he's going to a system that perfectly fits what he's done before. He would have been a question mark in a power offense, but Kansas City will take to the air, and they have the right quarterback for the job.

**dirk digler** · 03-10-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Footballoutsiders.com

All About the System

Between new GM Scott Pioli and new head coach Todd Haley, I'd say that Cassel is actually in the perfect environment to make a real go of it. In his time working with Bill Belichick in New England, Pioli got a front-row view of Cassel's strengths and weaknesses. And when he helped the Cardinals to the Super Bowl last year as Arizona's offensive coordinator, Haley ran an extremely productive attack with a lot of shotgun sets. This is where Cassel will thrive.

In 2008, Arizona quarterback Kurt Warner threw 598 regular-season passes. 412 of them were in a shotgun formation. That's 69.8 percent of his attempts, which would have been high for just about any other quarterback -- except for Cassel. Of Cassel's 516 attempts in 2008, 405 came from the shotgun -- an astonishing 78 percent. Both the Cardinals and Patriots are used to shotgun, three-wide sets with three receivers, and Kansas City's use of the Pistol formation, with quarterback Tyler Thigpen last season, gave tight end Tony Gonzalez unprecedented opportunities that he could very well see again.

There are times when players go from system to system and lose whatever it was that made them great. Matt Cassel is fortunate in that he's going to a system that perfectly fits what he's done before. He would have been a question mark in a power offense, but Kansas City will take to the air, and they have the right quarterback for the job.

Sounds good to me. My only concern is when the weather turns shitty we need to be able to run the ball effectively.

keg in kc · 03-10-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Sounds good to me. My only concern is when the weather turns shitty we need to be able to run the ball effectively.

You also need to be able to run the ball with a lead to burn clock. This is a familiar discussion in a lot of ways; same concerns we had with Al Saunders' system.

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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Footballoutsiders.com All About the System Between new GM Scott Pioli and new head coach Todd Haley, I'd say that Cassel is actually in the perfect environment to make a real go of it. In his time working with Bill Belichick in New England, Pioli got a front-row view of Cassel's strengths and weaknesses. And when he helped the Cardinals to the Super Bowl last year as Arizona's offensive coordinator, Haley ran an extremely productive attack with a lot of shotgun sets. This is where Cassel will thrive. In 2008, Arizona quarterback Kurt Warner threw 598 regular-season passes. 412 of them were in a shotgun formation. That's 69.8 percent of his attempts, which would have been high for just about any other quarterback -- except for Cassel. Of Cassel's 516 attempts in 2008, 405 came from the shotgun -- an astonishing 78 percent. Both the Cardinals and Patriots are used to shotgun, three-wide sets with three receivers, and Kansas City's use of the Pistol formation, with quarterback Tyler Thigpen last season, gave tight end Tony Gonzalez unprecedented opportunities that he could very well see again. There are times when players go from system to system and lose whatever it was that made them great. Matt Cassel is fortunate in that he's going to a system that perfectly fits what he's done before. He would have been a question mark in a power offense, but Kansas City will take to the air, and they have the right quarterback for the job. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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