Chiefs Pass interference call on Page - Page 7

ForeverChiefs58 · 10-05-2009, 01:51 PM

Momentum in football IS a gamechanger, and our momentum was stolen from us and given to the other team because of the refs, not the play. Refs need to let em play.

Chiefnj2 · 10-05-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

Momentum in football IS a gamechanger, and our momentum was stolen from us and given to the other team because of the refs, not the play. Refs need to let em play.

If anything, momentum swung 5 seconds into the game with the kickoff fumble.

blaise · 10-05-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If anything, momentum swung 5 seconds into the game with the kickoff fumble.

And when they let Hakim Nicks run right through them all the way to the end zone.

Coach · 10-05-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

Momentum in football IS a gamechanger, and our momentum was stolen from us and given to the other team because of the refs, not the play. Refs need to let em play.

No, I think the momentum was taken when Charles fumbled that opening kickoff.

I think that pretty much set the tone for the whole day.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-05-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

No, I think the momentum was taken when Charles fumbled that opening kickoff.

I think that pretty much set the tone for the whole day.

Yep. That and the fact that the Chiefs only got 3 points from the 2 turnovers by NY. Chiefs could have been up 14-0 at that point.

**Rain Man** · 10-05-2009, 02:20 PM

It was a horrible, horrible call for which the officiating crew should have had their feet whipped in a Turkish prison.

That said, there were some questionable calls both ways. There were a couple of false starts that I couldn't see at all, even on the replay, and the one play where Mario "I catch it on the second bounce" Manningham clearly caught the ball and they called it incomplete even on the replay.

It was incredibly frustrating for them to get a long touchdown on the next play, though. That touchdown was a gift from the officiating crew.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-05-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Mario "I catch it on the second bounce" Manningham clearly caught the ball and they called it incomplete even on the replay.

That was the correct call, tho. Its a shitty rule. Remember the Chargers-Raiders game a few weeks ago? The Raiders had an apparent TD nullified because the receiver did not secure the ball all the way to the ground.

**Rain Man** · 10-05-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

That was the correct call, tho. Its a shitty rule. Remember the Chargers-Raiders game a few weeks ago? The Raiders had an apparent TD nullified because the receiver did not secure the ball all the way to the ground.

It looked to me like he had it. I was surprised that they didn't rule it a catch. Maybe I'm not understanding the rule correctly.

But either way, screw Manningham. I hate him and I hate the Giants today.

orange · 10-05-2009, 06:21 PM

Found this while responding to another post.

Owners adopt four safety-related rule changes
By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel
March 24, 2009

Dana Point, Calif. -- It's nothing akin to the introduction of instant replay or the "K" ball, but the NFL owners have approved four minor rule changes submitted by the league's competition committee.

All four rules were made with the safety of players in mind.

Rule Change No. 1: No blindside blocks in which there is contact to the player's head.
It will now be a 15-yard penalty if "the initial force of the contact by a blocker's helmet, forearm or shoulder is to the head or neck area" if the blocker is moving toward his own endline and he approaches the opponent from behind or the side.

In simple terms, no crackback blocks to the head. Examples are receivers blocking down on linebackers and defenders blocking back on interception or fumble returns. Under this rule, it still appears that Warren Sapp's block on Chad Clifton was legal, but I'll check later with vice president of officiating Mike Pereira when he has his officiating seminar later today.

Rule Change No. 2: No more kickoff wedges.
It will be a 15-yard penalty if players intentionally form a wedge of three or more players on a kickoff return. No more than two receiving team players can join together shoulder-to-shoulder within 2 yards of each other and block for the returner.

Rule Change No. 3: Unnecessary roughness has been expanded to include shots to a defenseless receiver's head.
The amendment states, a penalty will be called "If the initial force of the contact by a defender's helmet, forearm, or shoulder is to the head or neck area of a defenseless receiver who is catching or attempting to catch a pass."

This would presumably cover the hit Steelers safety Ryan Grant had on Baltimore running back Willis McGahee in the AFC Championship game.

Rule Change No. 4: No bunch formations on kickoffs.
There must be at least four players on each side of the kicker and at least three of those must be lined up between the hash mark and the out of bounds line, one of which must be outside the yard-line number.

What the rule does is prevent teams from bunching up players on onsides kicks.

Look for an update to this story later in which I"ll have remarks from Pereira.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/archiv...ate=03-31-2009

The call was correct. Rant about the rule all you want, the refs got it right.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-05-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Rule Change No. 3: Unnecessary roughness has been expanded to include shots to a defenseless receiver's head.
The amendment states, a penalty will be called "If the initial force of the contact by a defender's helmet, forearm, or shoulder is to the head or neck area of a defenseless receiver who is catching or attempting to catch a pass."

The call was correct. Rant about the rule all you want, the refs got it right.

Actually, you are wrong. Watch the hit again. Page does not come in contact the receiver's head or neck area.

WilliamTheIrish · 10-05-2009, 06:38 PM

Nothing you bolded in that post took place during the tackle.

orange · 10-05-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Actually, you are wrong. Watch the hit again. Page does not come in contact the receiver's head or neck area.

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Nothing you bolded in that post took place during the tackle.

No, I'm right. Completely. That is EXACTLY what happened - shoulder to neck area.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-cit...efs-highlights

At the 35 second mark.

I saw it. The ref saw it.
Even Deion and Haley saw it - they just don't know the rule. They both think it was legal because Page used his shoulder....

... Oh, yeah. And the penalty was marched off. Refs 1 - Chiefs Homers 0.

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Nobody said it was. Bad calls go for you and against you. I was pointing how orange was ~~wrong.~~

orange was right.

WilliamTheIrish · 10-05-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

No, I'm right. Completely. That is EXACTLY what happened - shoulder to neck area.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-cit...efs-highlights

At the 35 second mark.

I saw it. The ref saw it.
Even Deion and Haley saw it - they just don't know the rule. They both think it was legal because Page used his shoulder....

... Oh, yeah. And the penalty was marched off. Refs 1 - Chiefs Homers 0.

I've seen it too. Nothing to the neck. Perfect form tackle. You don't know what you're talking about.

Rant on.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-05-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

No, I'm right. Completely. That is EXACTLY what happened - shoulder to neck area.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-cit...efs-highlights

At the 35 second mark.

I saw it. The ref saw it.
Even Deion and Haley saw it - they just don't know the rule. They both think it was legal because Page used his shoulder....

... Oh, yeah. And the penalty was marched off. Refs 1 - Chiefs Homers 0.

Dude, are you ****ing blind? The announcers during the game and EVERY postgame show I saw showed the SAME 2 clips and they ALL said it was a bad call. There was NO contact to the head or neck area.

orange · 10-05-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Dude, are you ****ing blind? The announcers during the game and EVERY postgame show I saw showed the SAME 2 clips and they ALL said it was a bad call. There was NO contact to the head or neck area.

I could really give a shit what the announcers said - as I mentioned above, they don't even know the rule.

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

I've seen it too. Nothing to the neck. Perfect form tackle. You don't know what you're talking about.

Rant on.

And I just linked the video. Look at it all you want. The penalty yardage still stands - and it's Chiefs Homers who've posted at least two threads about it. I'm not the one ranting. I'm

.

How many times would you guess in this very thread someone has said it was legal because (1) Page used his shoulder and (2) he didn't hit Smith in the head?

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10-05-2009, 06:21 PM	#9
orange MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver, CO Casino cash: $10004900	Found this while responding to another post. Owners adopt four safety-related rule changes By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel March 24, 2009 Dana Point, Calif. -- It's nothing akin to the introduction of instant replay or the "K" ball, but the NFL owners have approved four minor rule changes submitted by the league's competition committee. All four rules were made with the safety of players in mind. Rule Change No. 1: No blindside blocks in which there is contact to the player's head. It will now be a 15-yard penalty if "the initial force of the contact by a blocker's helmet, forearm or shoulder is to the head or neck area" if the blocker is moving toward his own endline and he approaches the opponent from behind or the side. In simple terms, no crackback blocks to the head. Examples are receivers blocking down on linebackers and defenders blocking back on interception or fumble returns. Under this rule, it still appears that Warren Sapp's block on Chad Clifton was legal, but I'll check later with vice president of officiating Mike Pereira when he has his officiating seminar later today. Rule Change No. 2: No more kickoff wedges. It will be a 15-yard penalty if players intentionally form a wedge of three or more players on a kickoff return. No more than two receiving team players can join together shoulder-to-shoulder within 2 yards of each other and block for the returner. Rule Change No. 3: Unnecessary roughness has been expanded to include shots to a defenseless receiver's head. The amendment states, a penalty will be called "If the initial force of the contact by a defender's helmet, forearm, or shoulder is to the head or neck area of a defenseless receiver who is catching or attempting to catch a pass." This would presumably cover the hit Steelers safety Ryan Grant had on Baltimore running back Willis McGahee in the AFC Championship game. Rule Change No. 4: No bunch formations on kickoffs. There must be at least four players on each side of the kicker and at least three of those must be lined up between the hash mark and the out of bounds line, one of which must be outside the yard-line number. What the rule does is prevent teams from bunching up players on onsides kicks. Look for an update to this story later in which I"ll have remarks from Pereira. http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/archiv...ate=03-31-2009 The call was correct. Rant about the rule all you want, the refs got it right.
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