Chiefs Bill Simmons on Tom Brady/Matt Cassel - Page 2

Pioli Zombie · 01-16-2010, 12:34 PM

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And his obvious landing place IS.........

I tell you what, anyone who wouldn't want Moss here is NUTS. Moss,Bowe,Chambers,and Charles. Holy shit!!!
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Pioli Zombie · 01-16-2010, 11:29 AM

There was a portion of the Patriot fanbase at the end of 2008 who were actually asking what the Patriots could get for Brady. Cassel had played that well and won over the fanbase that much. People up there are still pissed the Patriots only got a 2nd for Cassel and Vrabel. For Chiefs fans to not get that Cassel did indeed show what he could do with a good supporting cast and good coaching and that what he was thrown into this year with a rookie head coach, no OC, a shit line, and a shit supporting cast basically reflects the football ignorance of Chiefs fans.
Yes. Cassel had a bad year.
But yes there were reasons and he needs and deserves a second year. If he fails this year then by all means flame away on him.
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milkman · 01-16-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

There was a portion of the Patriot fanbase at the end of 2008 who were actually asking what the Patriots could get for Brady. Cassel had played that well and won over the fanbase that much. People up their are still pissed the Patriots only got a 2nd for Cassel and Vrabel. For Chiefs fans to not get that Cassel did indeed show what he could do with a good supporting cast and good coaching and that what he was thrown into this year with a rookie head coach, no OC, a shit line, and a shit supporting cast basically reflects the football ignorance of Chiefs fans.
Yes. Cassel had a bad year.
But yes there were reasons and he needs and deserves a second year. If he fails this year then by all means flame away on him.
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You, and the Patriot fan base don't get it.

I've acknowledged many times that Cassel has the talent to be a good game manager with surrounding talent, possibly a very good game manager.

You might compete for, and even win, a SB with a game manager (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson), but to consistently copmpete at that level, you need a playmaking franchise QB.

Now you might not agree with the opinion that Cassel is not franchise potential, but those of us who believe he is only game manager are pissed that Pioli hitched his wagon to a guy who appears to only have game manager potential.

Pioli Zombie · 01-16-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You, and the Patriot fan base don't get it.

I've acknowledged many times that Cassel has the talent to be a good game manager with surrounding talent, possibly a very good game manager.

You might compete for, and even win, a SB with a game manager (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson), but to consistently copmpete at that level, you need a playmaking franchise QB.

Now you might not agree with the opinion that Cassel is not franchise potential, but those of us who believe he is only game manager are pissed that Pioli hitched his wagon to a guy who appears to only have game manager potential.

Again What was the alternative??? Even Sanchez is at best a game manager.
And you just said game managers have won super bowls. Brady was in 2001. All I'm saying is give the guy an OC and a decent supporting cast and a ****ing chance if after this year the Chiefs aren't at least 8-8 and Cassel hasn't improved a ton then flame away. But to make these judgements that he and Pioli are failures already is assinine.
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**DeezNutz** · 01-16-2010, 12:41 PM

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Again What was the alternative??? Even Sanchez is at best a game manager.
And you just said game managers have won super bowls. Brady was in 2001. All I'm saying is give the guy an OC and a decent supporting cast and a ****ing chance if after this year the Chiefs aren't at least 8-8 and Cassel hasn't improved a ton then flame away. But to make these judgements that he and Pioli are failures already is assinine.
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At best?

. Yeah, his ceiling is pretty well defined.

That said, of course Cassel needs more tools/weapons surrounding him.

Sweet Dick Willy · 01-16-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Again What was the alternative??? Even Sanchez is at best a game manager.
And you just said game managers have won super bowls. Brady was in 2001. All I'm saying is give the guy an OC and a decent supporting cast and a ****ing chance if after this year the Chiefs aren't at least 8-8 and Cassel hasn't improved a ton then flame away. But to make these judgements that he and Pioli are failures already is assinine.
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

At best?

. Yeah, his ceiling is pretty well defined.

That said, of course Cassel needs more tools/weapons surrounding him.

The thing they don't get or refuse to acknowledge, is that unlike Sirs Brady and Cassel, whose college careers could best be defined as a non-existent, well-executed fart, Mark Sanchez actually played as a starter and a leader for his team, and led them to a Bowl.
And as such, his difficulties at the pro level are do largely in part to his refusal to give up on the play. Forcing, trying to make something happen when he should know to let it go. That comes with time and experience, and his arm and mechanics are just fine.
He'll do fine or better than fine as the years roll by.
Of course, being part of an organization that doesn't have it's head up it's ass helps as well, yes.

milkman · 01-16-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Again What was the alternative??? Even Sanchez is at best a game manager.
And you just said game managers have won super bowls. Brady was in 2001. All I'm saying is give the guy an OC and a decent supporting cast and a ****ing chance if after this year the Chiefs aren't at least 8-8 and Cassel hasn't improved a ton then flame away. But to make these judgements that he and Pioli are failures already is assinine.
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What I'm saying is that even if there wasn't an alternaitve in the last draft, then you build a team with the players you have on hand, and hope to land a franchise QB in the next draft or two.

You don't give away a 2nd round pick for a (What?) 28 year old game manager on a team that is so devoid of talent that he'll be in his 30s before the team is ready to compete.

DBOSHO · 01-16-2010, 11:31 AM

It makes sense to get rid of a HOF qb that brought the team 3 superbowls when the whole team played like crap...

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 11:36 AM

It just makes me happy as an avid fan of the NFL to see Brady finally looked upon as what he is...

A good QB who played in a great system with all of the right pieces and was the leader of a dynasty...

but not an all-time great.

WhitiE · 01-16-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

It just makes me happy as an avid fan of the NFL to see Brady finally looked upon as what he is...

A good QB who played in a great system with all of the right pieces and was the leader of a dynasty...

but not an all-time great.

agreed

DBOSHO · 01-16-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

It just makes me happy as an avid fan of the NFL to see Brady finally looked upon as what he is...

A good QB who played in a great system with all of the right pieces and was the leader of a dynasty...

but not an all-time great.

dude just stop. Please.

Pioli Zombie · 01-16-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

It just makes me happy as an avid fan of the NFL to see Brady finally looked upon as what he is...

A good QB who played in a great system with all of the right pieces and was the leader of a dynasty...

but not an all-time great.

You are a ****ing moron.
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ChiefsCountry · 01-16-2010, 12:24 PM

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You are a ****ing moron.
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Damn I agree with you for once.
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milkman · 01-16-2010, 12:34 PM

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You are a ****ing moron.
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Finally found something we can agree on.

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Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	There was a portion of the Patriot fanbase at the end of 2008 who were actually asking what the Patriots could get for Brady. Cassel had played that well and won over the fanbase that much. People up there are still pissed the Patriots only got a 2nd for Cassel and Vrabel. For Chiefs fans to not get that Cassel did indeed show what he could do with a good supporting cast and good coaching and that what he was thrown into this year with a rookie head coach, no OC, a shit line, and a shit supporting cast basically reflects the football ignorance of Chiefs fans. Yes. Cassel had a bad year. But yes there were reasons and he needs and deserves a second year. If he fails this year then by all means flame away on him. Posted via Mobile Device Last edited by Pioli Zombie; 01-16-2010 at 11:48 AM..
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