Chiefs Bill Simmons on Tom Brady/Matt Cassel - Page 5

**DeezNutz** · 01-16-2010, 12:38 PM

****, Hootie, saying that Manning is better is a little different from saying that Brady is essentially a game manager.

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

****, Hootie, saying that Manning is better is a little different from saying that Brady is essentially a game manager.

Lets be honest...

The Patriots win when they ask Brady to manage games...

The Patriots lose when they depend on Brady to win games.

Every single game the Colts play they depend on Peyton to win games.

Can anyone argue this?

milkman · 01-16-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Lets be honest...

The Patriots win when they ask Brady to manage games...

The Patriots lose when they depend on Brady to win games.

Every single game the Colts play they depend on Peyton to win games.

Can anyone argue this?

The SB run would argue with this.

Manning did everything he could to give away two playoff games.

Pushead2 · 01-16-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The SB run would argue with this.

Manning did everything he could to give away two playoff games.

Agreed, if the Bears didn't have Grossman that Super Bowl was thiers

milkman · 01-16-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pushead2

Agreed, if the Bears didn't have Grossman that Super Bowl was thiers

He threw three interceptions to the worst defense in the league in the first round of the playoffs.

And I've pointed this out a number of times.

Manning, of all the great QBs of the last 20 years is the only one, other than Favre, whose playoff QB rating is lower than his regular season QB rating.

He, more than any great QB, shrinks in the face of consistent pressure.

It's why he could never get past the Patriots earlier in his career before their defense began their decline, and why he hasn't been able to get past the Chargers.

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The SB run would argue with this.

Manning did everything he could to give away two playoff games.

These two games you reference...

Did the Chiefs EVER, EVER, AT ANY POINT IN THAT GAME...make the Colts or Manning have to work for it?

At no point was that game ever in doubt for the Colts. So regardless of the final stat sheet...this doesn't count. This was an exhibition game if I've ever seen one...

and then...against Baltimore...

Again...Peyton was never even put to the test.

When the Colts finally needed him...he stepped up against the Patriots and they won on a beautiful 4th quarter TD drive by Peyton Manning and then he played well in the Super Bowl...

So I don't get this argument.

Just remember...for every "clutch" moment Brady had (and I guess we'll count his 20 yard scoring drives in the Super Bowls to set up 45+ yard FG's by Vinatieri)...I can also name a game in the postseason where he "choked"...

I can't believe that whole myth about Brady being clutch even exists.

**DeezNutz** · 01-16-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

These two games you reference...

Did the Chiefs EVER, EVER, AT ANY POINT IN THAT GAME...make the Colts or Manning have to work for it?

At no point was that game ever in doubt for the Colts. So regardless of the final stat sheet...this doesn't count. This was an exhibition game if I've ever seen one...

and then...against Baltimore...

Again...Peyton was never even put to the test.

When the Colts finally needed him...he stepped up against the Patriots and they won on a beautiful 4th quarter TD drive by Peyton Manning and then he played well in the Super Bowl...

So I don't get this argument.

Just remember...for every "clutch" moment Brady had (and I guess we'll count his 20 yard scoring drives in the Super Bowls to set up 45+ yard FG's by Vinatieri)...I can also name a game in the postseason where he "choked"...

I can't believe that whole myth about Brady being clutch even exists.

Yeah, scoring drives, plural, in the ****ing SB no less...tend to have that effect.

This reminds me of when people try to argue that Roethlisberger is NOT a franchise QB.

DBOSHO · 01-16-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

These two games you reference...

Did the Chiefs EVER, EVER, AT ANY POINT IN THAT GAME...make the Colts or Manning have to work for it?

At no point was that game ever in doubt for the Colts. So regardless of the final stat sheet...this doesn't count. This was an exhibition game if I've ever seen one...

and then...against Baltimore...

Again...Peyton was never even put to the test.

When the Colts finally needed him...he stepped up against the Patriots and they won on a beautiful 4th quarter TD drive by Peyton Manning and then he played well in the Super Bowl...

So I don't get this argument.

Just remember...for every "clutch" moment Brady had (and I guess we'll count his 20 yard scoring drives in the Super Bowls to set up 45+ yard FG's by Vinatieri)...I can also name a game in the postseason where he "choked"...

I can't believe that whole myth about Brady being clutch even exists.

So basically your saying its ok to let bad teams back in the game repeatedly.

Right.

milkman · 01-16-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

These two games you reference...

Did the Chiefs EVER, EVER, AT ANY POINT IN THAT GAME...make the Colts or Manning have to work for it?

At no point was that game ever in doubt for the Colts. So regardless of the final stat sheet...this doesn't count. This was an exhibition game if I've ever seen one...

and then...against Baltimore...

Again...Peyton was never even put to the test.

When the Colts finally needed him...he stepped up against the Patriots and they won on a beautiful 4th quarter TD drive by Peyton Manning and then he played well in the Super Bowl...

So I don't get this argument.

Just remember...for every "clutch" moment Brady had (and I guess we'll count his 20 yard scoring drives in the Super Bowls to set up 45+ yard FG's by Vinatieri)...I can also name a game in the postseason where he "choked"...

I can't believe that whole myth about Brady being clutch even exists.

Again, how many times can you argue that manning has delivered in the clutch in the playoffs?

Once.

And yes, Brady has failed in the clutch, as well.

But regardless of the time and distance, and score needed, he has delivered more often, by far, than Manning.

**DeezNutz** · 01-16-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Lets be honest...

The Patriots win when they ask Brady to manage games...

The Patriots lose when they depend on Brady to win games.

Every single game the Colts play they depend on Peyton to win games.

Can anyone argue this?

Part of managing the game is repeatedly hitting the go route?

milkman · 01-16-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Lets be honest...

The Patriots win when they ask Brady to manage games...

The Patriots lose when they depend on Brady to win games.

Every single game the Colts play they depend on Peyton to win games.

Can anyone argue this?

and bottom line, you can argue that Manning has only delivered once in the playoffs in the clutch when the game was on the line at the end.

Brady has delivered several times.

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

and bottom line, you can argue that Manning has only delivered once in the playoffs in the clutch when the game was on the line at the end.

Brady has delivered several times.

What has Brady delivered? I just find this funny...

He threw 1 TD pass in the entire postseason (if I remember correctly) the year they won their first Super Bowl...

I'm sorry...if it wasn't for the "tuck rule" and Adam Vinatieri...the legend of Tom Brady might not even exist.

Dude stumbles into a perfect situation, fools the majority of football fans, and now the stubborn ones can't just admit Tom Brady is a better game manager than playmaking QB.

What was Tom Brady when they won their first Super Bowl?

A game manager?

or a franchise QB?

Pioli Zombie · 01-16-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

What has Brady delivered? I just find this funny...

He threw 1 TD pass in the entire postseason (if I remember correctly) the year they won their first Super Bowl...

I'm sorry...if it wasn't for the "tuck rule" and Adam Vinatieri...the legend of Tom Brady might not even exist.

Dude stumbles into a perfect situation, fools the majority of football fans, and now the stubborn ones can't just admit Tom Brady is a better game manager than playmaking QB.

What was Tom Brady when they won their first Super Bowl?

A game manager?

or a franchise QB?

In 2001 he was a game manager. Since then he has been much more than that you putz.
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DBOSHO · 01-16-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Lets be honest...

The Patriots win when they ask Brady to manage games...

The Patriots lose when they depend on Brady to win games.

Every single game the Colts play they depend on Peyton to win games.

Can anyone argue this?

someone please ban this guy. Jesus christ. Tom brady is a game manager now.