I'll do my preliminary top 16 mock, now full first round - Page 5

**BossChief** · 02-28-2010, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Mays would go in the next couple of picks...

Anyway Boss what I was asking you was how much the Chiefs would value the combine, workouts, etc etc.

Okung is going to be far more impressive than McClain is in that regard.

I think Pioli has said that he values game film more than workouts, but I can see the workouts holding some deciding weight to who they draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I think Pioli has said that he values game film more than workouts, but I can see the workouts holding some deciding weight to who they draft.

Tyson Jackson had awful workouts.

20 BP Reps
17 on his Wonderlic
4.94 40
28.5" vertical
8'6" broad jump.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-28-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Tyson Jackson had awful workouts.

20 BP Reps
17 on his Wonderlic
4.94 40
28.5" vertical
8'6" broad jump.

Further proof that the guy's a bum.

I wonder if the Chiefs would have taken him with Crennel around?

**BossChief** · 02-28-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Further proof that the guy's a bum.

I wonder if the Chiefs would have taken him with Crennel around?

This backs up my statement that they really dont care about the combine (at least for certain positions) They must have seen a guy they fell involve with during his film.

TJ was Piolis statement that "we were gonna run a 3-4 defense" and "we are gonna focus on fixing our run defense first and foremost"

They had to see something in him that made them (and about every 3-4 team picking after us) want him in the top of the first round.

Are those numbers all that horrible for a 300 pounder? Not meaning to be a smart ass one bit, I cant find a site with past times on it and would like to see a comparison of his numbers as opposed to some of the better 5-tecs in the NFL to see how they match up. Only 20 reps is pretty astounding.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2010, 06:47 PM

The Parcells guys are absolutely obsessed with size.

They have a weird attraction to measureables, but it's not 40 time, bench #s, vertical, 3 cone drill, or any of that shit.

They are averse to spending top picks on WRs (the only 1st rounder Parcells ever spent on a WR was Terry Glenn, and the Pats have never done it).

They love guys who are big with long arms. It's Parcells' dumb ****ing Planet Theory. Jackson got drafted at 3 because of the Planet Theory. They looked at his size (rather than his explosiveness) and his arm length (rather than his production) and figured that they could make him a good 5 technique.

In some ways, you could argue that the Parcells guys don't draft workout warriors, they draft tape measure warriors.

Mecca · 02-28-2010, 07:02 PM

The size thing is why I start cracking up laughing when anyone even suggests our team or the Pats would draft Brandon Graham.

**AustinChief** · 02-28-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The size thing is why I start cracking up laughing when anyone even suggests our team or the Pats would draft Brandon Graham.

The Planet Theory (George Young actually coined it) only applies to 300 lb linemen... so it has nothing to do with Graham ... As a matter of fact it isn't relevant at all really. Simply stated, the theory is that there is a finite number of ATHLETIC 300 lb men on Earth... so when you come across them you covet them.

The theory(which I DO NOT subscribe to) is meant to encourage getting and keeping big guys who are superior athletes... so it would seem their measurables would come into play.

**BossChief** · 02-28-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The size thing is why I start cracking up laughing when anyone even suggests our team or the Pats would draft Brandon Graham.

tyron Mckenzie 6'2'' 240
jarod mayo 6'1 245
shawn crable 6'5 245

Those are the lbs BB drafted in NE in the first three rounds in recent years.

Brandon Graham 6'1 260

Doesnt seem out of the realm of possibility to me. They do value linemen that are bigger because of their responsibility in regards to the scheme we play, but Im not sure that holds true for the LBers they draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

tyron Mckenzie 6'2'' 240
jarod mayo 6'1 245
shawn crable 6'5 245

Those are the lbs BB drafted in NE in the first three rounds in recent years.

Brandon Graham 6'1 260

Doesnt seem out of the realm of possibility to me. They do value linemen that are bigger because of their responsibility in regards to the scheme we play, but Im not sure that holds true for the LBers they draft.

Crable is a rushbacker.

McKenzie and Mayo are both 6'1"+ 240+ lb inside linebackers.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2010, 07:13 PM

Similar size and weight. Seymour is 6'5" 300, Warren is 6'4".

One of the reasons why I posted that is to show how Jackson was outperformed by Magee in every area, was just as (more likely less) productive in college, and yet Jackson goes higher because of Pioli's obsession with size.

Mecca · 02-28-2010, 07:15 PM

They apply it to the entire front 7, give me an undersized LB that has ever played for Parcells or a Parcells tree guy.

Brandon Graham's 6'1 height likely has him very low on the Chiefs board.

**AustinChief** · 02-28-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They apply it to the entire front 7, give me an undersized LB that has ever played for Parcells or a Parcells tree guy.

Brandon Graham's 6'1 height likely has him very low on the Chiefs board.

I highly doubt it, but if true... the entire Parcell's tree is full of nuts.

I find it hard to imagine they would ignore the play of guys like Woodley, Dumervil and Harrison just because they lack "ideal" height.

So does that take Hughes off the table?

Kindle is like 6'3" so he is ok...

RustShack · 02-28-2010, 07:16 PM

McClain has superior size..

RustShack · 02-28-2010, 07:16 PM

And Cody.

Mecca · 02-28-2010, 07:20 PM

They do, which is why McClain if the Chiefs don't take him probably goes to the Dolphins.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Similar size and weight. Seymour is 6'5" 300, Warren is 6'4". One of the reasons why I posted that is to show how Jackson was outperformed by Magee in every area, was just as (more likely less) productive in college, and yet Jackson goes higher because of Pioli's obsession with size. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	They apply it to the entire front 7, give me an undersized LB that has ever played for Parcells or a Parcells tree guy. Brandon Graham's 6'1 height likely has him very low on the Chiefs board.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	They do, which is why McClain if the Chiefs don't take him probably goes to the Dolphins.
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