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Old 03-03-2010, 02:15 PM   #1
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A clockwork Orange sucks for the simple fact scenesters and hipsters have to bring it up all the time and wear the dumb outfits and quote the movie all the time making it lame
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Wouldn't that be lame fans, rather than a lame movie?

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Old 03-03-2010, 02:17 PM   #2
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Burgess was supposedly angry at Kubrick because Kubrick didn't include the last chapter from the book where Alex ends up outgrowing the ultraviolence stuff.
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Old 03-03-2010, 02:20 PM   #3
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Burgess was supposedly angry at Kubrick because Kubrick didn't include the last chapter from the book where Alex ends up outgrowing the ultraviolence stuff.
I prefer the ending Kubrick used. Alex seems to have been altered to the alternate side of the pendulum; even more sociopathic/psychotic (if that's even possible).
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Old 03-03-2010, 08:20 PM   #4
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I prefer the ending Kubrick used. Alex seems to have been altered to the alternate side of the pendulum; even more sociopathic/psychotic (if that's even possible).
I read the book with the missing chapter and a forward by Burgess where hes goes on about how his vision was altered in the American printing of the book.
Frankly I think the book was improved by removing the last chapter (and that goes for the movie too). Burgess claims that the final chapter is required in order to show Alex changing and growing otherwise it's not truly a novel, but to me that section was so unbelievable and cliched I really thought it diluted the books impact by including it.
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Old 03-03-2010, 10:36 PM   #5
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I read the book with the missing chapter and a forward by Burgess where hes goes on about how his vision was altered in the American printing of the book.
Frankly I think the book was improved by removing the last chapter (and that goes for the movie too). Burgess claims that the final chapter is required in order to show Alex changing and growing otherwise it's not truly a novel, but to me that section was so unbelievable and cliched I really thought it diluted the books impact by including it.
I don't see how it's cliche. I think the book and movie both work, with or without the final chapter, in different ways. I don't agree that the final chapter dilutes it, or that it was unbelievable. It just shows that despite all the attempts to change Alex's way of thinking what actually ends up changing him is time. I guess you could say it dilutes the impact of the novel if you wanted the impact of the novel to differ from what Burgess wanted, but the author decided what impact he wanted the book to have. If he wanted the impact to be just be about droogy sort-of ultraviolent behavior he would have cut it, but obviously he wanted the ending impact to be that people can just naturally grow beyond that sort of behavior.
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Old 03-03-2010, 07:48 PM   #6
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Old 03-03-2010, 07:53 PM   #7
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Old 03-03-2010, 07:56 PM   #8
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It didn't get respect because it sucked.
Solid direction, inspired casting, great makeup, great script..... it was a movie based off of a comic book, and it's nowhere NEAR as bad as people make it out to be.
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Old 03-03-2010, 08:01 PM   #10
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Solid direction, inspired casting, great makeup, great script..... it was a movie based off of a comic book, and it's nowhere NEAR as bad as people make it out to be.
For me, Dick Tracy was saved by my low expectations. I didn't like it as much as you did, but since I figured it would be horrible, I was pleasantly surprised when it wasn't.
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For me, Dick Tracy was saved by my low expectations. I didn't like it as much as you did, but since I figured it would be horrible, I was pleasantly surprised when it wasn't.
I'm not arguing it deserves to be on any AFI list soon, but I do genuinely think it's underrated.

I'm just waiting for the Blu-Ray.
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Solid direction, inspired casting, great makeup, great script..... it was a movie based off of a comic book, and it's nowhere NEAR as bad as people make it out to be.
Umm..yes its bad. I saw it a few weeks ago on some random cable channel.

Its awful.
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Umm..yes its bad. I saw it a few weeks ago on some random cable channel.

Its awful.
It can't be all bad - it's 67% on Rotten Tomatoes.
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I'm generally annoyed by movie critics and can't ****ing stand movie snobs, because of that I could make a big list here.
but here are just a few:

Chronicles of Riddick
Euro Trip
The Fifth Element
The Matrix Sequels

All of these are movies that aren't perfect, but they're fun and enjoyable. The world (and Internet forums in particular) is full of people who love to hate on things like this in some vain attempt to appear cultured or discerning I guess. **** that shit, I'd rather go through life trying to find the good in things instead of pointing out the bad and in my experience enjoying movies like this doesn't make me enjoy the truly great movies any less.

If you don't emerge from having watched one of these movies and considered it a net positive, that doesn't make you smarter than other people. All it means is that you've mastered the unique gymnastics required to shit in your own mouth - to dilute your own joy, or the prospect of joy. I don't ever want to be smart enough to learn that trick, and I suspect I'm in no danger. I'm old enough now to settle for the merely good, which I recognize is grotesque and counter-revolutionary.
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I'm generally annoyed by movie critics and can't ****ing stand movie snobs, because of that I could make a big list here.
but here are just a few:

Chronicles of Riddick
Euro Trip
The Fifth Element
The Matrix Sequels

All of these are movies that aren't perfect, but they're fun and enjoyable. The world (and Internet forums in particular) is full of people who love to hate on things like this in some vain attempt to appear cultured or discerning I guess. **** that shit, I'd rather go through life trying to find the good in things instead of pointing out the bad and in my experience enjoying movies like this doesn't make me enjoy the truly great movies any less.

If you don't emerge from having watched one of these movies and considered it a net positive, that doesn't make you smarter than other people. All it means is that you've mastered the unique gymnastics required to shit in your own mouth - to dilute your own joy, or the prospect of joy. I don't ever want to be smart enough to learn that trick, and I suspect I'm in no danger. I'm old enough now to settle for the merely good, which I recognize is grotesque and counter-revolutionary.
Haven't seen Chronicles or Euro, and I love the Fifth Element. But the 2nd Matrix was meh, the third was awful.
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