Joe Posnanski: big SI Scott Pioli feature

[tk13]

And while we're at it, if you take away of Charles long runs, he's really not that good of a player.

[KCinNY]

Nice read, but Bruce Springsteen sucks.

[zonachief]

marcellus. best sig ever!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

But the Bucs have JAAAASH Freeman!!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

But the Bucs have JAAAASH Freeman!!

Fair is fair. Given the amount of shit the Chiefs have gotten for beating nobodies, the teams the Bucs have beaten are even worse.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Fair is fair. Given the amount of shit the Chiefs have gotten for beating nobodies, the teams the Bucs have beaten are even worse.

Absolutely.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

But the Bucs have JAAAASH Freeman!!

The funny thing about Freeman to me is that the dude was a legitimate first round QB and he's slowly but surely reaching Franchise QB status. But, the K-State fans and alums barely, if ever, backed the guy.

Yet, we've had numerous threads and posts over the years about how Reesing and Daniels should be first rounders.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The funny thing about Freeman to me is that the dude was a legitimate first round QB and he's slowly but surely reaching Franchise QB status. But, the K-State fans and alums barely, if ever, backed the guy.

Yet, we've had numerous threads and posts over the year about how Reesing and Daniels should be first rounders.

Dude, I watched Josh Freeman play and I hated him as a prospect. He was a dipshit, a classic example of a guy who had it all in shorts and nothing in pads. He wasn't even that good in high school. Whatever the Bucs have done to develop him, however, is fantastic.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dude, I watched Josh Freeman play and I hated him as a prospect. He was a dipshit, a classic example of a guy who had it all in shorts and nothing in pads. He wasn't even that good in high school. Whatever the Bucs have done to develop him, however, is fantastic.

I think that Coach Prince was a turd. Fortunately, Raheem Morris spent a year on the K-State staff and saw the guy's true nature.

What I'm about to state is pure speculation but I think it's safe to say that if Freeman had played under Snyder, the guy would have been an absolute beast and would have competed with Stafford as the number one overall pic.

As you know, college players are often a reflection of their coach and I think Freeman's doppleganger was Ron Prince (without the ridiculous contract).

[stevieray]

this forum is becoming one dimensional.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by stevieray

this forum is becoming one dimensional.

Becoming?

[Marcellus]

Not going to bother to quote all your post.

1. Atlanta did not have huge succes their first 2 years with a ton of new players. You haven't shown anything to prove that and showed you a huge list of leftover players on that team.
2. The original comment I made was in regard to KC talent being based off of leftover players. As I stated and still believe that is typical.
3. Tampa may be younger than KC and may be an exception but the exception proves the rule. It's still an exception. I used the word rarely.
4. The Lions are better than their usual selves but still have not officially broken through. Sorry they are not in the playoff hunt nor do they look imminently close. Yes improved but that's not a massive suprise. The team has had how many high round picks the last 10 years? How could they not improve at some point?
5. Good night.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Not going to bother to quote all your post.

1. Atlanta did not have huge succes their first 2 years with a ton of new players. You haven't shown anything to prove that and showed you a huge list of leftover players on that team.
2. The original comment I made was in regard to KC talent being based off of leftover players. As I stated and still believe that is typical.
3. Tampa may be younger than KC and may be an exception but the exception proves the rule. It's still an exception. I used the word rarely.
4. The Lions are better than their usual selves but still have not officially broken through. Sorry they are not in the playoff hunt nor do they look imminently close. Yes improved but that's not a massive suprise. The team has had how many high round picks the last 10 years? How could they not improve at some point?
5. Good night.

So, you conceded that both Tampa Bay and Detroit are far more talented in year two of their new regimes but contend that your statement is still correct?



And many (if not all) of Matt Millen's high draft choices are gone from Detroit, which further weakens your argument.

[Hootie]

give me 5 players who have more impact in 2010 for their teams that were 2nd round picks than Dexter...

Just curious.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

give me 5 players who have more impact in 2010 for their teams that were 2nd round picks than Dexter...

Just curious.

This isn't hard.

Pat Angerer - 11 games, 6 starts, 61 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF

Brandon Spikes - 11 games, 8 starts, 54 tackles

Toby Gerhard - 162 yards rushing, 144 yards receiving, 1 TD

Daryl Washington - 11 games, 8 starts, 52 tackles, 1 sack

Zane Beadles - 11 games, 9 starts at tackle/guard

Lamarr Houston - 11 games, 10 starts, 24 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 FF

Rob Gronkowski - 11 games, 8 starts, 25 catches, 310 yards, 6 TD

Koa Misi - 11 games, 8 starts, 24 tackles, 3.5 sacks

Arellious Benn - 16 catches, 195 yards, 2 TD

TJ Ward - 11 starts, 87 tackles, 7 PDEF, 2 INT, 1 FF

Oh, and Javier Arenas, who was a pick that people actually hated MORE than McCluster, but so far has proven to be much more valuable, especially since he can, you know, actually STAY ON THE FIELD.