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Old 12-01-2010, 03:00 PM   #1
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Pollyanna has a migraine.

People can compare Cassel to Abe Lincoln if they wish, I suppose. But, honestly, we've seen 2.5 games of good to excellent play out of the guy. Trend? I'm not certain it is and I don't think anybody else knows either.

I mean, a quarterback can keep interceptions down through a combination of throwaways and a little luck. The same is true with sacks. As far as touchdowns are concerned, Moeaki and Bowe have been money on the receiving end (with a few obvious exceptions) and that makes a difference ... a big difference.

I just can't get the image of 8 yard passes smack dab in the dirt and those crazy moon rocket deals that are still in orbit somewhere. And then there's the ol' free safety stare-down technique where the ball gets flung into triple coverage.

Let's see what happens against the goats. If Cassel performs at a high level against those cheating bastards, I'll start believing that he really can be what Pioli and Haley want him to be.

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so you write a new tune, in a difficult arrangement..and practice and practice and practice ( we're talkinbout practice, man), and you finally get it down..do you regress or play the song better from that point forward? (feel free to miss a couple of wide open notes, or have your rythym section drop the ball on the bridge every once in awhile...cause you know, doodoo happens)
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Old 12-01-2010, 03:13 PM   #2
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so you write a new tune, in a difficult arrangement..and practice and practice and practice ( we're talkinbout practice, man), and you finally get it down..do you regress or play the song better from that point forward? (feel free to miss a couple of wide open notes, or have your rythym section drop the ball on the bridge every once in awhile...cause you know, doodoo happens)
It's a pretty good comparison, Mr. stevieray. In music (as in art and football) practice makes perfect ... no question.

But there are differences, though. For one, unless he's playing a roadhouse in West Texas, a guitarist doesn't normally have some ugly, fat bastard trying to knock his instrument out of his hands. Plus, you aren't depending on the guy in the endzone to pluck your E string at just the right moment.

I see your point, though, and it's a good one.

Cassel started affecting my opinion of him in the Bills game (I think that was the one) when he jumped into a pile to help his halfback (Battle?) who was getting twisted into a paper clip after the whistle. I liked that. A lot.

It seems like we're left with this; Cassel is either getting better due to hard work (and practice, as you say) or we've seen some kind of bizarre aberration in which the stars aligned, we faced guys who couldn't defend a breakfast waffle (or the goats' dreaded prevent D), and Cassel looked good in spite of some bad habits.

I shall defer until the second half.

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Old 12-01-2010, 03:17 PM   #3
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It's a pretty good comparison, Mr. stevieray. In music (as in art and football) practice makes perfect ... no question.

But there are differences, though. For one, unless he's playing a roadhouse in West Texas, a guitarist doesn't normally have some ugly, fat bastard trying to knock his instrument out of his hands. Plus, you aren't depending on the guy in the endzone to pluck your E string at just the right moment.

I see your point, though, and it's a good one.

Cassel started affecting my opinion of him in the Bills game (I think that was the one) when he jumped into a pile to help his halfback (Battle?) who was getting twisted into a paper clip after the whistle. I liked that. A lot.

It seems like we're left with this; Cassel is either getting better due to hard work (and practice, as you say) or we've seen some kind of bizarre aberration in which the stars aligned, we faced guys who couldn't defend a breakfast waffle (or the goats' dreaded prevent D), and Cassel looked good in spite of some bad habits.

I shall defer until the second half.

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I'll be honest...the battle play, (no pun intended) the block on Sunday, and the exchange with Haley show why I think it's legit...he's got a fire in his belly...and even more candid..I didn't see it in him early on....but damn if it doesn't get me pumped of what could be...
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Old 12-01-2010, 04:12 PM   #4
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Pollyanna has a migraine.

People can compare Cassel to Abe Lincoln if they wish, I suppose. But, honestly, we've seen 2.5 games of good to excellent play out of the guy. Trend? I'm not certain it is and I don't think anybody else knows either.
I'll keep asking this question......

Did the guy throw 22 TD's and 4 picks in 2.5 games?

It's like people are ignoring the fact that he's putting together a pro bowl season. That doesn't happen in 2.5 games for the love of God.
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I'll keep asking this question......

Did the guy throw 22 TD's and 4 picks in 2.5 games?

It's like people are ignoring the fact that he's putting together a pro bowl season. That doesn't happen in 2.5 games for the love of God.
Even when Cassel hasn't played well he still threw TDs which something I saw as an important part of his progress.


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Even when Cassel hasn't played well he still threw TDs which something I saw as an important part of his progress.


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You like those garbage-time TDs, eh?

Were you a big fan of Bill Kenney?
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:58 PM   #7
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I'll keep asking this question......

Did the guy throw 22 TD's and 4 picks in 2.5 games?

It's like people are ignoring the fact that he's putting together a pro bowl season. That doesn't happen in 2.5 games for the love of God.
Just going by what I have observed, Mr. TheGuardian. That's all.

Dirt balls. Crazy eyes. Satellite launchings. Whirling Buzz Saw Surrenders. Pee stains. Stuff like that.

Then, there came the goat game followed by Arizona and Seattle in which he really looked like a true, talented, NFL quarterback.

It reminds me of that old, Belgium proverb; "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times and I'm kicking you square in the nads, man. Belgium style."

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Derek Anderson went to the Pro Bowl.

So did Chris Miller, Mark Rypien, Neil O'Donnell, Bobby Hebert, Jeff Hostetler, Jim Harbaugh, Jeff Blake, Gus Frerrote, Trent Dilfer, Brian Griese, Jake Delhomme, STEVE BONO AND ELVIS GRBAC.
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Derek Anderson went to the Pro Bowl.

So did Chris Miller, Mark Rypien, Neil O'Donnell, Bobby Hebert, Jeff Hostetler, Jim Harbaugh, Jeff Blake, Gus Frerrote, Trent Dilfer, Brian Griese, Jake Delhomme, STEVE BONO AND ELVIS GRBAC.
Using exceptions never supports the rule. The pro bowl is littered with more great QB's than 1 year wonders. Please give it a ****ing rest.
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Using exceptions never supports the rule. The pro bowl is littered with more great QB's than 1 year wonders. Please give it a ****ing rest.
Great quarterbacks go to Pro Bowls MULTIPLE TIMES.

Using one Pro Bowl appearance - WHICH HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET- as some kind of proof of Cassel's greatness is premature.

As is lauding him for beating up on NFC West defenses.

All this shit is premature. All of it.
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Great quarterbacks go to Pro Bowls MULTIPLE TIMES.

Using one Pro Bowl appearance - WHICH HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET- as some kind of proof of Cassel's greatness is premature.

As is lauding him for beating up on NFC West defenses.

All this shit is premature. All of it.
Yes it is premature.

However the observations of his footwork are not.

His footwork has been stellar in these last two games, and that (his poor footwork) was a huge part of the reason for his inconsistency, lack of accuracy, and even his lack of pocket presence.

It looks as though it has just clicked for him finally.

I said in another thread that I have never seen him with this kind of footwork in any of the game I have watched before, not in KC or in New England.

This article supports that claim.
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Yes it is premature.

However the observations of his footwork are not.

His footwork has been stellar in these last two games, and that (his poor footwork) was a huge part of the reason for his inconsistency, lack of accuracy, and even his lack of pocket presence.

It looks as though it has just clicked for him finally.

I said in another thread that I have never seen him with this kind of footwork in any of the game I have watched before, not in KC or in New England.

This article supports that claim.
I don't think Cassel will ever be a great QB, but I think he can become a very good QB. Like you, I think his improved footwork will reap incredible dividends for this team. It is kind of funny when you look at another QB that is trying to emulate Drew Brees and his footwork and the type of progress he has had this year over last year: Josh Freeman. Josh Freeman went and worked out with Drew Brees this past summer and one of the things he really focused on was his footwork. He has made the same kind of strides as a QB this year that Cassel has made. (Very similar increases in stats between Cassel and Freeman)

Drew Brees says the key to his accuracy is being able to throw the ball the same way every time--and that all begins with good footwork.
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Great quarterbacks go to Pro Bowls MULTIPLE TIMES.

Using one Pro Bowl appearance - WHICH HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET- as some kind of proof of Cassel's greatness is premature.

As is lauding him for beating up on NFC West defenses.

All this shit is premature. All of it.
Well this is surprisingly a mature post by GoChiefs.
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I think at this point is is reasonable to assume that not playing in college and not playing his first what 4 years or so in the NFL slowed his growth.

He played well but looked like a young backup or so playing with talent in 2008 with NE, made use of his play makers but didn't do anything awe inspiring.

2009 not as much talent, new team, sophomore starters slump etc....

2010 starts slow but starts to build on it. Playing well now.

Sounds like a lot of young players only Cassel isn't as young but has the actual game experience of a younger player or even less counting college.

Maybe he is making the big step. Gannon, Young, Green, several young players didn't light it up early on.
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good article.

i think of troy aikmen's quick feet too.
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