Chiefs ESPN's Bill Williamson Ranks AFCW's Top 40 Players - Page 6

Mr. Laz · 07-23-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I love Deberg, he's one of my all time favorites, but he's nowhere near Kelly's level...

oh yea, i was just talking about their scrappy attitude not their talent levels.

Then again, Kelly has a ton more to work with ... better system and talent.

**Gadzooks** · 07-23-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I love Deberg, he's one of my all time favorites, but he's nowhere near Kelly's level...

Deberg was an easy guy to root for. He had a lot of guts playing through injuries, (i.e. broken pinky). Kinda' reminds me of when Rivers suffered a torn ACL in the 2007 NFL playoffs and played the AFC Championship game prior to his surgury...
... but he wore a knee brace so he's a whiney bitch.

ChiefsCountry · 07-23-2011, 01:14 PM

Man we could have had a hell of QB if you could put DeBerg's heart and heat in Grbac's body.

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-23-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Man we could have had a hell of QB if you could put DeBerg's heart and heat in Grbac's body.

Heat?

We all bitch about Cassel, but he does have heart.

Mr. Laz · 07-23-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Man we could have had a hell of QB if you could put DeBerg's heart and heat in Grbac's body.

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people been saying that shit for year ... Grbac was such a pussy.

Hochevar is the same imo

listopencil · 07-24-2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Man we could have had a hell of QB if you could put DeBerg's heart and heat in Grbac's body.

DeBerg was a bad ass. He had my respect.

During his career, DeBerg also acquired a reputation for playing through particularly gruesome or unique injuries. He played with laryngitis and wore a portable amplifier during regular season games with San Francisco. He also played with a broken non-throwing hand and an exposed metal pin sticking out of his finger in a Chiefs playoff victory in 1990. In 1993, he left a Dolphins game versus the New York Giants battered and bloodied after taking a helmet to the chin, only to return to the game following halftime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_DeBerg

**RealSNR** · 07-24-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

DeBerg was a bad ass. He had my respect.

During his career, DeBerg also acquired a reputation for playing through particularly gruesome or unique injuries. He played with laryngitis and wore a portable amplifier during regular season games with San Francisco. He also played with a broken non-throwing hand and an exposed metal pin sticking out of his finger in a Chiefs playoff victory in 1990. In 1993, he left a Dolphins game versus the New York Giants battered and bloodied after taking a helmet to the chin, only to return to the game following halftime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_DeBerg

Also the oldest QB to ever start a game. Filled in for Chris Chandler in 1998 at the age of 44. Stayed on as the backup and the Falcons went to the Super Bowl that year, and became the oldest player to ever be on a Super Bowl team at age of 45.

1977-1998. He's a goddamn man

Backwards Masking · 07-23-2011, 01:17 PM

Not that bad of a list, Flowers should be higher IMO. Orton should be on there was well, he's much better Campbell.

Manning is very overrated IMO. He benefits greatly from 9 guaranteed indoor games a year, sometimes 10-12. He rarely has to play in real football weather and his stats are extremely poor when doing so.

Aikman was overrated in the sense that he was throwing behind maybe the greatest o line ever and had lots of other talent around him. But, on the other hand, we'll never know how good he would have been under pressure because he never had any, so it's hard to hold that against him.

I wasn't around to watch him play, but I've seen some sick clips of Fran Tarkenton from the 70's, and he looked like an absolute monster. From what I've seen and heard that guy could do everything, and did do everything but get a ring.

ChiefsCountry · 07-23-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

Aikman was overrated in the sense that he was throwing behind maybe the greatest o line ever and had lots of other talent around him. But, on the other hand, we'll never know how good he would have been under pressure because he never had any, so it's hard to hold that against him.

I disagree. Aikman for the most part was very underrated.

**BossChief** · 07-23-2011, 03:30 PM

In 2009, Cassel was a 4 on a scale of 1-10.

Last year, I think he improved to a 7.

If he shows the ability to improve to a 8, we will return to the playoffs and make some noise when we get there.

Mr. Laz · 07-23-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

In 2009, Cassel was a 4 on a scale of 1-10.

Last year, I think he improved to a 7.

If he shows the ability to improve to a 8, we will return to the playoffs and make some noise when we get there.

Cassel is an average type QB

He's overpaid all to hell but other than that the only real issue is that we need to be trying draft/develop his replacement as of yesterday.

**BossChief** · 07-23-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Cassel is an average type QB

He's overpaid all to hell but other than that the only real issue is that we need to be trying draft/develop his replacement as of yesterday.

1) his pay for the two years after 2011 are nothing for a starting quarterback in the NFL. It should allow us to continue to make moves. And before someone comes out with the "I bet they extend his deal soon" ...players for Piolis teams play out there deals.

2) you do know that we drafted the great Ricky Stanzi, right?

**DeezNutz** · 07-23-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

In 2009, Cassel was a 4 on a scale of 1-10.

Last year, I think he improved to a 7.

If he shows the ability to improve to a 8, we will return to the playoffs and make some noise when we get there.

By 4, I assume you mean 44 (out of 46). He was ****ing trash.

Last year, however, showed that he deserves more time and the benefit of the doubt...for now.

suzzer99 · 07-23-2011, 03:44 PM

The problem is to do that either you go big (first round) or you have a pretty low chance of success (Croyle, Blundin, Elkins, etc.). And even if you go big there's no guarantee, especially since we don't expect to be drafting in the top 5 again for a while.

It's a tough spot. I think your happiest path at this point is to pray Cassel develops into a playoff-winning QB. If not then maybe we can grab a Carson Palmer and/or draft someone.

Mr. Laz · 07-23-2011, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

The problem is to do that either you go big (first round) or you have a pretty low chance of success (Croyle, Blundin, Elkins, etc.). And even if you go big there's no guarantee, especially since we don't expect to be drafting in the top 5 again for a while.

It's a tough spot. I think your happiest path at this point is to pray Cassel develops into a playoff-winning QB. If not then maybe we can grab a Carson Palmer and/or draft someone.

unless you have an Aaron Rodger type guy on your roster you need to be drafting a QB every couple of years. We didn't do that until this year with Stanzi. We took too long imo. In a couple years if Stanzi doesn't show up then we need to try again and if an unexpected talent ever drops to you in the 1st round then you grab them regardless.

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Backwards Masking Bustle in your hedgerow? Join Date: May 2011 Location: NOT Missouri Casino cash: $10004900	Not that bad of a list, Flowers should be higher IMO. Orton should be on there was well, he's much better Campbell. Manning is very overrated IMO. He benefits greatly from 9 guaranteed indoor games a year, sometimes 10-12. He rarely has to play in real football weather and his stats are extremely poor when doing so. Aikman was overrated in the sense that he was throwing behind maybe the greatest o line ever and had lots of other talent around him. But, on the other hand, we'll never know how good he would have been under pressure because he never had any, so it's hard to hold that against him. I wasn't around to watch him play, but I've seen some sick clips of Fran Tarkenton from the 70's, and he looked like an absolute monster. From what I've seen and heard that guy could do everything, and did do everything but get a ring.
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suzzer99 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: L.A. Casino cash: $-865716	The problem is to do that either you go big (first round) or you have a pretty low chance of success (Croyle, Blundin, Elkins, etc.). And even if you go big there's no guarantee, especially since we don't expect to be drafting in the top 5 again for a while. It's a tough spot. I think your happiest path at this point is to pray Cassel develops into a playoff-winning QB. If not then maybe we can grab a Carson Palmer and/or draft someone.
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