CRAIG Glazer: Haley as good as gone, the Decision already made?

[durtyrute]

Why is everyone blaming Todd for this when we just went to the playoffs last year. He got this team into shape and had us fighting the whole damn year and now people want to kick him to the curb.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

Why is everyone blaming Todd for this when we just went to the playoffs last year. He got this team into shape and had us fighting the whole damn year and now people want to kick him to the curb.

I blame Todd for the following reasons:

1. He gets partial blame for the team having no depth at key positions.
2. His offseason program was a nightmare and cost the team early.
3. He gets partial blame for not being able to work with Gailey and Weis.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I blame Todd for the following reasons:

1. He gets partial blame for the team having no depth at key positions.
2. His offseason program was a nightmare and cost the team early.
3. He gets partial blame for not being able to work with Gailey and Weis.

All of this.

The offensive game plan has to be constructed around Cassel's limitations, the offensive coaching staff has to be constructed around Haley's limitations. Bill Muir is Haley's check down.

[durtyrute]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I blame Todd for the following reasons:

1. He gets partial blame for the team having no depth at key positions.
2. His offseason program was a nightmare and cost the team early.
3. He gets partial blame for not being able to work with Gailey and Weis.

1. He does deserve partial blame for that.

2. It's not like this is the first time these guys have played football. They should already know how to tackle and know how to block and not hold people and hold on to the ball. For the most part these aren't just the rooks that are making the mistakes, there are vets ****ing up too. That's not on Todd. He wanted people to be in shape. The people that have been here should also know the playbook. He didn't do anything that horrible in the offseason. We have a bunch of weakass suck buddies on our team, so I guess that goes back to number 1.

3. He should not have to be forced to work with anyone. He's the coach. If him and another guy don't gel well then, peace out. I can understand if players don't get along, **** you play away, but the top dog should work with people that are on the same page otherwise you get this shit that we have here. We all know that Pioli picked Weiss and him and Gailey just didn't work. He shouldn't be blamed for wanting to work with people he wants to work with and not who the fans want him to work with.

He's not the best coach, but i like him. Yea he makes dumbass calls sometimes, but he has the guts to do it and thats cool with me. For my money I'd like to see Pioli, Cassel and Muir gone and then we can go from there.

"Wow that was long"

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

3. He should not have to be forced to work with anyone. He's the coach.

I would agree with that however with Haley this isn't one of those rare situations were he didn't along with a certain person. From the best I can tell he is a horses ass that doesn't get along with most people.

My Indiana Hoosiers seem to be dealing with a similar thing in HC Kevin Wilson. Wilson appears to be a great football mind, something probably not the case with Haley, but stories seems to keep leaking out about him being a belligerent A hole that nobody wants to work with. He had three asst coaches he hired in the offseason all leave within 4 weeks. Not good.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

I would agree with that however with Haley this isn't one of those rare situations were he didn't along with a certain person. From the best I can tell he is a horses ass that doesn't get along with most people.

My Indiana Hoosiers seem to be dealing with a similar thing in HC Kevin Wilson. Wilson appears to be a great football mind, something probably not the case with Haley, but stories seems to keep leaking out about him being a belligerent A hole that nobody wants to work with. He had three asst coaches he hired in the offseason all leave within 4 weeks. Not good.

Where do you get that from?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Where do you get that from?

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Where do you get that from?

Just going off what seems to be a pattern. Had a big tiff with Kurt Warner in Arizona which is saying something as Warner seems like one of the nicest guys out there. Didn't get along with Weis. Doesn't get along with Pioli. And not my favorite source but Whitlock says repeatedly he is an insecure a hole. Well noted for his sideline temper. Now that doesn't make you an a hole but most a holes do have a bad temper.

I wouldn't hold anyone of those things against him but the pattern seems to indicate he is a horses ass. You disagree?

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Just going off what seems to be a pattern. Had a big tiff with Kurt Warner in Arizona which is saying something as Warner seems like one of the nicest guys out there. Didn't get along with Weis. Doesn't get along with Pioli. And not my favorite source but Whitlock says repeatedly he is an insecure a hole. Well noted for his sideline temper. Now that doesn't make you an a hole but most a holes do have a bad temper.

I wouldn't hold anyone of those things against him but the pattern seems to indicate he is a horses ass. You disagree?

With Kurt Warner? Link?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Just going off what seems to be a pattern. Had a big tiff with Kurt Warner in Arizona which is saying something as Warner seems like one of the nicest guys out there. Didn't get along with Weis. Doesn't get along with Pioli. And not my favorite source but Whitlock says repeatedly he is an insecure a hole. Well noted for his sideline temper. Now that doesn't make you an a hole but most a holes do have a bad temper.

I wouldn't hold anyone of those things against him but the pattern seems to indicate he is a horses ass. You disagree?

Warner sings his praises as do several of his other former players. Michael Holley, the guy who wrote a book about Belichick, Dimitroff, and Pioli, says that he saw no sign of friction between Pioli and Haley during his time behind the closed doors of the Chiefs organization. I don't know, there are certainly some rumors going around, but I don't see a lot of real evidence that Haley is hard to get along with.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

1. He does deserve partial blame for that.

2. It's not like this is the first time these guys have played football. They should already know how to tackle and know how to block and not hold people and hold on to the ball. For the most part these aren't just the rooks that are making the mistakes, there are vets ****ing up too. That's not on Todd. He wanted people to be in shape. The people that have been here should also know the playbook. He didn't do anything that horrible in the offseason. We have a bunch of weakass suck buddies on our team, so I guess that goes back to number 1.

3. He should not have to be forced to work with anyone. He's the coach. He him and another guy don't gel well then, peace out. I can understand if players don't get along, **** you play away, but the top dog should work with people that are on the same page otherwise you get this shit that we have here. We all know that Pioli picked Weiss and him and Gailey just didn't work. He should be blamed for wanted to work with people he wants to work with and not who the fans want to work with.

He's not the best coach, but i like him. Yea he makes dumbass calls sometimes, but he has the guts to do it and thats cool with me. For my money I'd like to see Pioli, Cassel and Muir gone and then we can go from there.

"Wow that was long"

good post durty. I wouldn't change the staff out though. This team is in it's third season and struggling to make further progress. That's not unusual. There is lacking talent here and this staff is playing young players in order to develop them, so that is a major part of the falloff this season. But there are veteran players making horrible mistakes and generally playing poorly. Dorsey, DJ, Hali are all on that weakside playing poor football. Teams are exploiting them too. that is sad. Obviously, Cassel and Bowe are stinking it up as well. Can't expect the staff to hold these player's hands, you're right.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

good post durty. I wouldn't change the staff out though. This team is in it's third season and struggling to make further progress. That's not unusual.

This is a perfect example as to why as a coach you are stupid if you don't do your best to come off as a likable guy to the media and fans. Truth is, I prefer a coach who is a hard ass and if he is successful then it doesn't matter if you are a nice guy or not. But if you come off as an A Hole and you struggle then the fans and media aren't going to give you near as much slack as they will a coach that seems like a nice guy. When you are a prick you put a big target on your back and will have a lot of people ready to start firing at it during your first slip up.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

This is a perfect example as to why as a coach you are stupid if you don't do your best to come off as a likable guy to the media and fans. Truth is, I prefer a coach who is a hard ass and if he is successful then it doesn't matter if you are a nice guy or not. But if you come off as an A Hole and you struggle then the fans and media aren't going to give you near as much slack as they will a coach that seems like a nice guy. When you are a prick you put a big target on your back and will have a lot of people ready to start firing at it during your first slip up.

go watch Haley's latest presser. He patiently waits for mouthy Nick Wright to lay out 2 questions of which Wright obviously loves to here himself talk. Haley comes back very sincerly to those questions. The days of "meanie face Haley" are long gone.

[rocknrolla]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

1. He does deserve partial blame for that.

2. It's not like this is the first time these guys have played football. They should already know how to tackle and know how to block and not hold people and hold on to the ball. For the most part these aren't just the rooks that are making the mistakes, there are vets ****ing up too. That's not on Todd. He wanted people to be in shape. The people that have been here should also know the playbook. He didn't do anything that horrible in the offseason. We have a bunch of weakass suck buddies on our team, so I guess that goes back to number 1.

3. He should not have to be forced to work with anyone. He's the coach. If him and another guy don't gel well then, peace out. I can understand if players don't get along, **** you play away, but the top dog should work with people that are on the same page otherwise you get this shit that we have here. We all know that Pioli picked Weiss and him and Gailey just didn't work. He shouldn't be blamed for wanting to work with people he wants to work with and not who the fans want him to work with.

He's not the best coach, but i like him. Yea he makes dumbass calls sometimes, but he has the guts to do it and thats cool with me. For my money I'd like to see Pioli, Cassel and Muir gone and then we can go from there.

"Wow that was long"

Very good post. I don't think Haley will go any where. If he does, He will do a good job for some other team. He will be a great coach. He needs to bring his "No Bullshit" attitude back.

[durtyrute]

Originally Posted by rocknrolla

Very good post. I don't think Haley will go any where. If he does, He will do a good job for some other team. He will be a great coach. He needs to bring his "No Bullshit" attitude back.

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