PFF Grades the Chiefs, Week 9

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by O.city

I wouldn't say 23-53 but we def don't have the depth. But I don't think many teams could withstand injuries to the caliber players we have had this year and still be a contender.

Look at the Steelers a few years ago.

The Packers lost Finley, who is better than Moeaki, their #1 RB, had injuries all over the back seven and still won the SB.*


*FWIW, I don't think that's (the Packers' 10-6 plan) something to strive for, as it would be nearly impossible to replace success like that, but they have shown that you can compete at a high level even when decimated by injuries if you have enough guys in key positions.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Packers lost Finley, who is better than Moeaki, their #1 RB, had injuries all over the back seven and still won the SB.

They also had a qb play at a HOF level throughout the playoffs. But I do see what you are sayin. However, their #1 RB wasn't a large part of their offense and the guys they lost on the back side weren't a difference maker like Berry.


If Woodson or Mathews goes down, they likely don't win a SB last year.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Packers lost Finley, who is better than Moeaki, their #1 RB, had injuries all over the back seven and still won the SB.*


*FWIW, I don't think that's (the Packers' 10-6 plan) something to strive for, as it would be nearly impossible to replace success like that, but they have shown that you can compete at a high level even when decimated by injuries if you have enough guys in key positions.

Franchise quarterbacks keep you in any game, no matter what.

They come in and give you the ability to score...even with subpar weapons around them.

A franchise quarterback with these weapons at his disposal and a playmaking defense could compete against any team in football.

Even over a season like this one where we lost some of our best players for the year.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's really foolish.

This team does not have the depth to withstand injuries, which will invariably happen.

With a franchise QB and a difference maker at NT, you're right that 1-22 would be good enough to compete with most any team. But 23-53 is still, by and large, a horrible collection of players.

another draft and free agency like the last two and that should no longer be a big problem.

We have the ammo to score with the best of them on offense (with a franchise quarterback) and a young, playmaking defense that can hold its own.

Is it just me or does my glass have a little more water in it than some of yours'?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BossChief

another draft and free agency like the last two and that should no longer be a big problem.

We have the ammo to score with the best of them on offense (with a franchise quarterback) and a young, playmaking defense that can hold its own.

Is it just me or does my glass have a little more water in it than some of yours'?

You are overrating our defense. That Raiders game made it look like much more of a playmaking D than what it really is, which is a bend-but-don't-break D with solid corners, a really good MLB, and one pass rusher.

A defense like that is going to get carved up by good offenses, and it has.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You are overrating our defense. That Raiders game made it look like much more of a playmaking D than what it really is, which is a bend-but-don't-break D with solid corners, a really good MLB, and one pass rusher.

A defense like that is going to get carved up by good offenses, and it has.

Losing Berry really has hurt our defense more than I thought it would. But to be a good d in the league you have to create turnovers and pressure the qb. We can do the first when healthy but like you have stated we really need more of a passhrush. I hoped HOuston would bring that and he eventually might. This has been a tough year for rookies especially on defense, leaguewide.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You are overrating our defense. That Raiders game made it look like much more of a playmaking D than what it really is, which is a bend-but-don't-break D with solid corners, a really good MLB, and one pass rusher.

A defense like that is going to get carved up by good offenses, and it has.

While I mostly agree there, I also would like to say that I think this defense is completely different with Berry.

Similar to how Baltimore and Pittsburghs defenses play without Reed/Polamalu.

I bet we had to put 30% of the defensive playbook back in the cupboard once Berry went down.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BossChief

another draft and free agency like the last two and that should no longer be a big problem.

We have the ammo to score with the best of them on offense (with a franchise quarterback) and a young, playmaking defense that can hold its own.

Is it just me or does my glass have a little more water in it than some of yours'?

Oh I feel the same way, I just question our ability to get a franchise qb. Honestly I don't know what I would do if we did get one.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

another draft and free agency like the last two and that should no longer be a big problem.

Right now the last two drafts are not looking that special.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Right now the last two drafts are not looking that special.

I know how you feel about McCluster as I'm starting to come to the darkside with you on that. But Arenas and Mo ( when healthy are greatly underappreciated on CP). This years class is tough to eval, with the lockout and all.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You're preaching to the choir about that, but where is this defense in four years, which is essentially the soonest that we'd have a franchise QB who is ready to go?

some are just reaching their prime, others are already in it. Some are past it.

Also, the way we have drafted and maneuvered in free agency over the last two offseasons leads me to believe that this team is gonna continue to get more talented and deeper across the board.

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Right now the last two drafts are not looking that special.

I completely disagree.

Relatively speaking, of course.

[BossChief]

I still think that once Stanzi gets a chance, a lot on this team will change for the better.

There will be growing pains, but there are really only 3 quarterbacks out of this upcoming class that I think might be better than him.

Luck
Barkley
Foles

I really dont think Landry Jones is head and shoulders a better quarterback.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I still think that once Stanzi gets a chance, a lot on this team will change for the better.

There will be growing pains, but there are really only 3 quarterbacks out of this upcoming class that I think might be better than him.

Luck
Barkley
Foles

I really dont think Landry Jones is head and shoulders a better quarterback.

I'll admit that about all I have seen on the guy was in the preseason (didn't watch alot of Iowa games) but I think you might be building Stanzi up a little.

If it were me (and i've already got trashed for this in the draft forum by jd) I'd try and get Mallet from the pats. I think we messed up by not picking him last year in the second or third.

[suzzer99]

Tamba was too upset about JoePa. He'll bounce back this week.

[O.city]

No one replied or said anything about it so I'll ask again: What would be everyone's thought about trying to get Mallett from the Pats? You could keep most of this years draft to add more talent and get a guy that already is better and has more potential than our qb does.

Again I like some aspects of this and don't like some. Just throwing it out there.