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Old 12-21-2011, 08:45 AM   #1
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After 40 years of failure, yes, I would like them to try the approach that works for other teams. I'd rather take a new direction for the next 4 years rather than continue 44 years of a plan that has failed horribly.
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:45 AM   #2
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Sorry, but I don't rate Cassel as high as "adequate." Or Thigpen. Or Huard. Trent Green was the last KC QB even in that range.

Looking back thru the Chiefs draft history back to 1960, the only QBs who's names I recognize are Brody Croyle and Steve Fuller. Fuller was a good backup for Jim McMahon on the Super Bowl Bears of the 80s. That's the absolute best they've ever done at drafting the QB position.

KC just doesn't have any history of being able to draft a QB at all. Yet now, that's exactly what you want to risk the team's next 4-5 years on...
Risk what? A Super Bowl?

We've already suffered through SIX YEARS of Brodie Croyle, Tyler Thigpen, and Matt ****ing Cassel. You're worried about the next 4?

This kind of scaredy cat thinking is just silly.
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:45 AM   #3
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Sorry, but I don't rate Cassel as high as "adequate." Or Thigpen. Or Huard. Trent Green was the last KC QB even in that range.

Looking back thru the Chiefs draft history back to 1960, the only QBs who's names I recognize are Brody Croyle and Steve Fuller. Fuller was a good backup for Jim McMahon on the Super Bowl Bears of the 80s. That's the absolute best they've ever done at drafting the QB position.

KC just doesn't have any history of being able to draft a QB at all. Yet now, that's exactly what you want to risk the team's next 4-5 years on...
um, what QBs have KC drafted in the first?

they've run out legions of your 'adequate' QBs and to claim otherwise is dishonest...we've tried it your way for decades with only failure as a result

imagine if one time in 30 years we tried it a different way...one ****ing time

but Chiefs fans are in love with mediocrity...decades of it are fine as long as we never do something risky like drafting a QB
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:53 AM   #4
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KC just doesn't have any history of being able to draft a QB at all. Yet now, that's exactly what you want to risk the team's next 4-5 years on...
So because a team whiffs on a QB pick they should never try it again?

I better let the Titans know that they should not have drafted Locker because Young was a bust.
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:43 AM   #5
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That has been KC's plan for the last 40 years and you know what it has gotten the franchise? Zero, zip, zilch, nada, nothing, crap, horseshit. They keep playing "adequate" at QB and continually fail to make the playoffs or get the crap kicked out of them in the 1st round because of that merely "adequate" QB.
Lock this thread now...

ChiefNJ2 just gave a lesson on Adequate QB play..

Well done sir...
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:45 AM   #6
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That has been KC's plan for the last 40 years and you know what it has gotten the franchise? Zero, zip, zilch, nada, nothing, crap, horseshit. They keep playing "adequate" at QB and continually fail to make the playoffs or get the crap kicked out of them in the 1st round because of that merely "adequate" QB.
Now that is what I am talking about!
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:32 AM   #7
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Not to mention that Brandon Marshall has dropped off the face of the Earth after moving to Miami. BM set NFL records with Kyle throwing to him.
Marshall's numbers are relatively the same in Miami, not counting TDs.

Orton is a good QB but let's not puff him up too much.
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:47 AM   #8
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Marshall's numbers are relatively the same in Miami, not counting TDs.

Orton is a good QB but let's not puff him up too much.
Not claiming that KO is great. In fact, I think that I characterized him as "good."

My point is that even just "good" is better than most people realize. And it helps the rest of the team to perform better.

BTW, B-Marsh's TD total for the last 2 years combined in Miami is 8. He had 10 in a single season with KO throwing to him. Marshall was expected to tank in Denver after the great Jay Cutler left. Instead he set an NFL record for most receptions in a single game (20), was chosen as AFC Offensive Player of the Week and went to a 2nd consecutive Pro Bowl. That was also his last 100 catch season. That was Orton helping Marshall to be as good as he could be.
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:55 AM   #9
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KYLE ORTON IS THE ANSWER....for now and probably for the next year or two IF he signs with us. However, why would he sign with us if we keep Cassel and he has other offers to be the starter? Im sure KO doesnt want to go thru what he did in Denver again.

I hope the FO is smart enough to trade MC and sign KO and then draft the best QB possible, whether thats trade up (maybe MC could be part of a trade up situation) or find a gem late in the 1st round or 2nd round.

All I know is when I was watching the game on sunday, I held my breath when KO threw the ball and then quickly realized that he could actually throw the ball-far sometimes. We havent had a QB who could throw the ball--far--since TG. We havent really looked like a real football team all year until Sunday. KO is part of the reason.

KYLE ORTON IS THE ANSWER...for now. Lets hope the FO does whats best for this team
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:15 AM   #10
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KYLE ORTON IS THE ANSWER....for now and probably for the next year or two IF he signs with us. However, why would he sign with us if we keep Cassel and he has other offers to be the starter? Im sure KO doesnt want to go thru what he did in Denver again.
I don't know about KO being "the" answer, but he can certainly be "an" answer. A good enough answer to help the Chiefs win - especially in a weak division like the AFC West.

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I hope the FO is smart enough to trade MC and sign KO and then draft the best QB possible, whether thats trade up (maybe MC could be part of a trade up situation) or find a gem late in the 1st round or 2nd round.
KO wants to be a starter, not a fill-in or a bridge or a mentor. He won't want to play for a team that's actively looking for his replacement.

If Cassel stays, no matter how much better Kyle might play, MC's contract will probably block him being bench for Orton.

If a QB is drafted in the 1st or 2nd round, fan pressure will quickly build to "give him a chance" just like it did in Denver with Tebow. Look at how many posters on this board are insisting on that for Stanzi - a 5th rounder who should probably never make it off the practice squad.

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All I know is when I was watching the game on sunday, I held my breath when KO threw the ball and then quickly realized that he could actually throw the ball-far sometimes. We havent had a QB who could throw the ball--far--since TG. We havent really looked like a real football team all year until Sunday. KO is part of the reason.
Yeah, KO has enough of an arm to make all the NFL throws, anywhere on the field. If he's given adequate protection, he can pick apart a Secondary. Good field vision, can go thru his progressions quickly, above average decision-making skills and solid mechanics that enable him to get rid of the ball in a hurry.
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Denny, what team do you root for? I'm assuming it's not KC since you said you didn't know who Peterson was.
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Denny, what team do you root for? I'm assuming it's not KC since you said you didn't know who Peterson was.
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Denny, what team do you root for? I'm assuming it's not KC since you said you didn't know who Peterson was.
Shouldn't matter... Orton is the best pure passer/best decision maker we've had since probably Grbac's probowl year. Before that... I don't remember Lenny playing but I'm guessing maybe it was him?
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Shouldn't matter... Orton is the best pure passer/best decision maker we've had since probably Grbac's probowl year. Before that... I don't remember Lenny playing but I'm guessing maybe it was him?
I assume you are being serious.

Best pure passer and decision maker based on 1 game?? I guess you crowned his ass already.
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I assume you are being serious.

Best pure passer and decision maker based on 1 game?? I guess you crowned his ass already.
I saw someone Sunday that could make all the throws accurately. Trent Green had a Cassle arm which is why he relied on Priest for dumpoffs so much. Rarely he went down the field unless it was to TG or 10 yard outs to EK.
As far as the Chiefs go... CROWN HIS ASS! HE WAS, WHO I THOUGHT HE WAS!
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