National Football Post 1st round mock (with trades) - Page 2

whoman69 · 01-31-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Top rusher the last 12 years. Generally their teams are one-and-done in the playoffs. Last great rusher really spearheading SB winners was Terrell Davis in Denver in the late 90s and, to a lesser degree, Corey Dillon for the 2004 Patriots (think he had 1500 yards that first year).

1999 Edgerrin James Indianapolis Colts 1553 16 Rookie season
2000 Edgerrin James (2) Indianapolis Colts 1709 16
2001 Priest Holmes Kansas City Chiefs 1555 16
2002 Ricky Williams Miami Dolphins 1853 16
2003 Jamal Lewis Baltimore Ravens 2066 16 Highest rushing total of the 2000s.
2004 Curtis Martin New York Jets 1697 16 Only rushing champion to win after 30th birthday (31)
2005 Shaun Alexander Seattle Seahawks 1880 16
2006 LaDainian Tomlinson San Diego Chargers 1815 16 Also set record for rush TDs (28)
2007 LaDainian Tomlinson (2) San Diego Chargers 1474 16 Last player to repeat rushing titles
2008 Adrian Peterson Minnesota Vikings 1760 16 NFC's last rushing champion
2009 Chris Johnson Tennessee Titans 2006 16 Also set NFL record for yards from scrimmage (2,509)
2010 Arian Foster Houston Texans 1616 16 Texans' first rushing champion
2011 Maurice Jones-Drew Jacksonville Jaguars 1606 16 Jaguars' first rushing champion

Teams are going to have to figure out another way to do things. If you don't have a franchise QB these days, you have to figure out how to slow the game down, keep those offenses off the field and throw off their timing. I think more teams are going to take the route of the Ravens and 49ers if they don't have that QB. It may take more than one running back with all the pounding they take.

**Saul Good** · 01-30-2012, 02:41 PM

Where is Dontari Poe?

O.city · 01-30-2012, 02:46 PM

He is waiting for us to get him in the 2nd round.

**BossChief** · 01-30-2012, 03:55 PM

Heres how I see it.

Dont look at this as we are building around Cassel...that scews the whole thing. Look at it like we are building around somebody else (Stanzi, Tannehill..maybe Barkley or somebody else next year) because Cassel is gonna fail regardless.

What better situation could a rookie quarterback go into than ours if we take Richardson, if the draft were to fall that way?

Charles was a guy they had to somewhat limit the carries of prior to the ACL, now you would like to think that they will bring him along slowly. Richardson is not only a perfect compliment to Charles style and durability/injury recovery, he is the perfect insurance policy.

There are a ton of things a Trent Richardson does for a football team like ours.

He moves the sticks and lets your defense not only rest, but time to show stills and make adjustments during the flow of the game instead of having to just go bak out there and play right away because we went 3 and out.

He gives you a versatile and effective weapon in short yardage. That's something we haven't really had since Tony Richardson left. He has the power to go right up the a gaps and push the pile...the speed and shiftiness to hit the pylon on a toss...the ability to catch the ball and take it in...he really is a threat that would leave defenses wondering how to cover our wideouts and stop the run.

Lets face it.

These guys are gonna give Cassel one more chance and he is out.

Trent Richardson would open up the passing game for the next man up.

Chris Meck · 01-30-2012, 04:01 PM

this exactly.

I think there is no other player likely to be available to us at #11 that would have as much impact as Richardson, particularly considering that we have crap at QB.

I know, I know, Brady doesn't need a running game, and Eli didn't have one this year, and The Saints can't run the ball and look at what Brees did, yeah, yeah.

We don't have a QB that's even in the same ****ing sport as those guys. So we'd better find another way to move the chains. I don't know that you can count on Charles to be 100%-and you don't want him carrying 300+times anyway.

Just sayin'. I'd rather have a top notch QB, but it ain't happening.

whoman69 · 01-30-2012, 11:02 PM

I don't buy the no value at RB. In this era where you can only win with a franchise QB, teams are going to have to take a different route if they don't have one. We beat the Packers because our offense kept them off the field and our defense disrupted their rhythm.

That said, I think Richardson would be a luxury pick when we have other needs. In this scenario I'd have us going with Hightower.

Chief Roundup · 01-31-2012, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Dont look at this as we are building around Cassel

I know that I don't.

This is about the team. We have a lot of needs but we are close to being good.
We need a QB badly! But there is not a realistic option available to us right now. So we need to build the team and be patient. We don't want to be like the Colts either. Hopefully next season with what looks like a much deeper QB class next year there might be one in range or the team will be in a position to be able to afford to give up more to move up.

I know everyone is tired of waiting. I know it has been a bazillion years.

**the Talking Can** · 01-31-2012, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I know that I don't.

This is about the team. We have a lot of needs but we are close to being good.
We need a QB badly! But there is not a realistic option available to us right now. So we need to build the team and be patient. We don't want to be like the Colts either. Hopefully next season with what looks like a much deeper QB class next year there might be one in range or the team will be in a position to be able to afford to give up more to move up.

I know everyone is tired of waiting. I know it has been a bazillion years.

we should...they're moving from one #1 draft pick QB to another...

we're moving from Cassel to Cassel/Orton

Chris Meck · 01-31-2012, 11:40 AM

Here's why I'd rather NOT take Tannehill at 11:

There is absolutely NO way that he could play in 2012. None, zip, zero. It's unlikely that he could go in 2013, but that would be the absolute soonest.

IF our QB situation is as bad as it looks, we will have a shot at one of the five or more quality first round options next year, which could, at the earliest, be ready to play in 2013.

So, do you take the guy that can't play until at least 2013 or just wait until 2013 to do that and take a guy that can help you now?

I think you take the guy that can help you now and take a less inexperienced guy next year.

Chief Roundup · 01-31-2012, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we should...they're moving from one #1 draft pick QB to another...

we're moving from Cassel to Cassel/Orton

No we should not.
We should be more like the Texans where you can lose your starting QB and use a 5th round rookie and still go deep into the playoffs.

Not lose one player and it tanks your whole season. No Thanks.

aturnis · 01-31-2012, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

No we should not.
We should be more like the Texans where you can lose your starting QB and use a 5th round rookie and still go deep into the playoffs.

Not lose one player and it tanks your whole season. No Thanks.

Duh.

**Saul Good** · 01-31-2012, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

No we should not.
We should be more like the Texans where you can lose your starting QB and use a 5th round rookie and still go deep into the playoffs.

Not lose one player and it tanks your whole season. No Thanks.

The Texans went deep into the playoffs? I thought they had 1 playoff win in team history and had never made it past the second round.

O.city · 01-30-2012, 11:04 PM

Hightower will be ther in the second IMO.

I wouldn't mind to have Richardson, but only if we resign Orton.

O.city · 01-30-2012, 11:28 PM

Thank you DJ. I had been pondering how I was gonna fire back at Amnorix about that.

I wouldn't mind grabbing Richardson there if we kept Orton.

O.city · 01-30-2012, 11:29 PM

If we can pick up Richardson this draft and add some other nice pieces, then grab say Barkley next draft, I'd be extremely happy.

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01-30-2012, 03:55 PM	#4
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1775912	Heres how I see it. Dont look at this as we are building around Cassel...that scews the whole thing. Look at it like we are building around somebody else (Stanzi, Tannehill..maybe Barkley or somebody else next year) because Cassel is gonna fail regardless. What better situation could a rookie quarterback go into than ours if we take Richardson, if the draft were to fall that way? Charles was a guy they had to somewhat limit the carries of prior to the ACL, now you would like to think that they will bring him along slowly. Richardson is not only a perfect compliment to Charles style and durability/injury recovery, he is the perfect insurance policy. There are a ton of things a Trent Richardson does for a football team like ours. He moves the sticks and lets your defense not only rest, but time to show stills and make adjustments during the flow of the game instead of having to just go bak out there and play right away because we went 3 and out. He gives you a versatile and effective weapon in short yardage. That's something we haven't really had since Tony Richardson left. He has the power to go right up the a gaps and push the pile...the speed and shiftiness to hit the pylon on a toss...the ability to catch the ball and take it in...he really is a threat that would leave defenses wondering how to cover our wideouts and stop the run. Lets face it. These guys are gonna give Cassel one more chance and he is out. Trent Richardson would open up the passing game for the next man up. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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01-30-2012, 04:01 PM	#5
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1415090	this exactly. I think there is no other player likely to be available to us at #11 that would have as much impact as Richardson, particularly considering that we have crap at QB. I know, I know, Brady doesn't need a running game, and Eli didn't have one this year, and The Saints can't run the ball and look at what Brees did, yeah, yeah. We don't have a QB that's even in the same ****ing sport as those guys. So we'd better find another way to move the chains. I don't know that you can count on Charles to be 100%-and you don't want him carrying 300+times anyway. Just sayin'. I'd rather have a top notch QB, but it ain't happening.
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01-31-2012, 11:40 AM	#9
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1415090	Here's why I'd rather NOT take Tannehill at 11: There is absolutely NO way that he could play in 2012. None, zip, zero. It's unlikely that he could go in 2013, but that would be the absolute soonest. IF our QB situation is as bad as it looks, we will have a shot at one of the five or more quality first round options next year, which could, at the earliest, be ready to play in 2013. So, do you take the guy that can't play until at least 2013 or just wait until 2013 to do that and take a guy that can help you now? I think you take the guy that can help you now and take a less inexperienced guy next year.
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01-30-2012, 11:04 PM	#13
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-765936	Hightower will be ther in the second IMO. I wouldn't mind to have Richardson, but only if we resign Orton.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-765936	Thank you DJ. I had been pondering how I was gonna fire back at Amnorix about that. I wouldn't mind grabbing Richardson there if we kept Orton.
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01-30-2012, 11:29 PM	#15
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-765936	If we can pick up Richardson this draft and add some other nice pieces, then grab say Barkley next draft, I'd be extremely happy.
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