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Old 07-17-2012, 11:45 AM  
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How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's?
Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.


I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.


Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36


Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

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Old 07-18-2012, 04:30 PM   #721
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Is it really fair to compare Bowes first 5 years against someone else's first 5 years where the first 3 he didn't even start.
Why should Bowe be punished for being a major contributor his rookie and 2nd season?

That's part of what makes him great. There are few WR's that have produced at this level their first 5 years in the league.

I'm doing the math now, and am halfway through the list in the OP, and the only guys ahead of him are Megatron and Fitz.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:31 PM   #722
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I wonder what the reaction would be here and in KC if Bowe said what Fitz said about his Qbs.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-pick-than-me/

Granted he is talking about fantasy value, but he isn't wrong either.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:32 PM   #723
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Why should Bowe be punished for being a major contributor his rookie and 2nd season?

That's part of what makes him great. There are few WR's that have produced at this level their first 5 years in the league.

I'm doing the math now, and am halfway through the list in the OP, and the only guys ahead of him are Megatron and Fitz.
I never said he should be penalized.

If Bowe can come out comparably to Irvins '91-'98 season then I'll be impressed. But I won't hold my breath because I don't think you'll ever see Bowe top 1500 yards, no matter who is throwing him the ball.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:35 PM   #724
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I wonder what the reaction would be here and in KC if Bowe said what Fitz said about his Qbs.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-pick-than-me/

Granted he is talking about fantasy value, but he isn't wrong either.
I would agree heartily with Bowe if he said that. Of course Id take Calvin over him. Plus Fitz is just being honest, not really insulting any of his QBs. Stafford and Megatron have a great thing already in place. Arizona, it might take some time. Really it was just Fitz being humble.
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Is it really fair to compare Bowes first 5 years against someone else's first 5 years where the first 3 he didn't even start?
Irvin was a regular starter his first three years with injury problems.
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Oh yeah, and Gil Brandt, who was the player personnel director for the Cowboys, compared Bowe to Irvin when Bowe was drafted.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:38 PM   #727
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Irvin was a regular starter his first three years with injury problems.
Sorry. I was looking at NFL's page and they didn't record any starts for him those 3 years. He started 23 games compared to Bowe's 40 in their first 3 years. Call me crazy but I think Bowe is going to have a statistical advantage by default based on those numbers alone.
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I would agree heartily with Bowe if he said that. Of course Id take Calvin over him. Plus Fitz is just being honest, not really insulting any of his QBs. Stafford and Megatron have a great thing already in place. Arizona, it might take some time. Really it was just Fitz being humble.
I got no problem with him saying it, but I was reading some of the comments after that and some were thinking he was throwing his QBs under the bus. If Bowe says that he would get crucified imo, no matter how true it is.
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I don't think you'll ever see Bowe top 1500 yards, no matter who is throwing him the ball.
We're 29th/26th in pass attempts, and Bowe gets 1,200 yards.

You don't think he can get 300 more in a pass heavy offense? With a QB who isn't dogshit/22nd/completes less than 60 percent
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Only Megatron, Fitz, Jennings and Colston have produced at a better clip in their first 5 seasons than Dwayne Bowe has.

3 of those 4 have had the benefit of a HOF QB chucking them the ball.



What's just as important is that he was better than Andre Johnson, better than Reggie Wayne, better than Roddy White, etc.

I'm really not sure at this point what this guy has to do to get the credit he deserves.
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We're 29th/26th in pass attempts, and Bowe gets 1,200 yards.

You don't think he can get 300 more in a pass heavy offense? With a QB who isn't dogshit/22nd/completes less than 60 percent
Only 3 receivers broke 1500 yards last season in which 3 QB's threw for 5,000 yards, damn near 4.
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Matt Ryan attempted 35 passes a game last year.

Someone oughta go through Bowe's career, see what numbers he posted in games where we threw it around 35 times, and see what Bowe averages in those games. Multiply by 16, see what you get. See if it's close to 1500.

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Only Megatron, Fitz, Jennings and Colston have produced at a better clip in their first 5 seasons than Dwayne Bowe has.

3 of those 4 have had the benefit of a HOF QB chucking them the ball.



What's just as important is that he was better than Andre Johnson, better than Reggie Wayne, better than Roddy White, etc.

I'm really not sure at this point what this guy has to do to get the credit he deserves.
Play for a team other than KC. Its hard to get recognized playing for the red headed stepchild of the NFL
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Chiefs fans: still rationalizing why it's OK not to keep our best players in the prime of their careers.
Pretty sure no one is rationalizing not keeping him. People are rationalizing not paying him Fitzgerald money. But go ahead and see/read what you want.
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