Chiefs 29th in Scoring Defense - Page 3

**BossChief** · 10-14-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

They visibly quit in the second half today. There is no motivation or morale on this team anymore, especially on defense. "Hey guys, lets stop them here so our offense can go 3 and out and we'll have to do this shit all over again."

thats what I see, too.

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't give a rat's ass who gets paid what.

Leadership is an instinctive, inherent trait.

It comes from guys with charisma and fire that permeates throughout the squad.

Hali, Flowers and DJ are not natural leaders.

And Tyson Jackson is just a guy.

This team needs that guy that puts a fire in other's belly, and that is just another failure of Pioli.

He's gotten so caught up in character, he's forgotten about other qualities.

Letting Shaun Smith walk for mere peanuts is just a microcosm of what you are talking about here.

That guy and others like him are exactly what this team missed last year and this.

jspchief · 10-14-2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

thats what I see, too.

Letting Shaun Smith walk for mere peanuts is just a microcosm of what you are talking about here.

That guy and others like him are exactly what this team missed last year and this.

I was just thinking that earlier. It seems absurd to be pining for Sacksquash, but at least the guy had a nasty streak. this defense hasn't played with bad intentions since the mid 90s, and now we have Romeo Ruxpin and his scheme that makes eunuchs out of defensive players.

milkman · 10-14-2012, 09:29 PM

And you threw Patrick Willis in the conversation.

Why was that San Francisco defense so mush better last year than 2010?

Patrick Willis wasn't a leader in '10, but developed leadership in the offseason between the end of '10 and the start of '11.

Coaching, scheme, and preparation makes a difference.

mcaj22 · 10-14-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

And you threw Patrick Willis in the conversation.

Why was that San Francisco defense so mush better last year than 2010?

Patrick Willis wasn't a leader in '10, but developed leadership in the offseason between the end of '10 and the start of '11.

Coaching, scheme, and preparation makes a difference.

Patrick Willis was also only like 25 with a huge ceiling and potential.

We are talking Derrick Johnson who is 30 and Tamba Hali who will be 29 in a month.

These guys are in their primes now. Hit their ceilings and are capped. They should be playing with more urgency than they are. And they lack leadership. Patrick Willis was still very very very young when the 49ers were terrible.

KChiefer · 10-14-2012, 09:37 PM

We have 19 turnovers. Even the greatest of defenses can't succeed when handed that.

jspchief · 10-14-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

We have 19 turnovers. Even the greatest of defenses can't succeed when handed that.

The defense starts failing before the turnovers start happening. Certainly turnovers greatly affect the end result, but turnovers don't excuse what this D has been doing the last 6 weeks.

milkman · 10-14-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

We have 19 turnovers. Even the greatest of defenses can't succeed when handed that.

I believe that number is 21 now.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-14-2012, 09:46 PM

Because the QB sucks, people have been giving this defense a pass for a long time.

It stinks too. It has basically 1 emerging superstar in Houston, one really good pass rusher in Hali and a bunch of guys who just look lost.

Hammock Parties · 10-14-2012, 09:48 PM

It was 7-3 at halftime.

Then the defense decided, "**** this shit," immediately to start the second half. Immediately. No negative contribution from the offense.

D is not good.

And this was against a bad offense with a QB who had completed 54.6 percent of his passes entering the game.

We're in a world of shit.

milkman · 10-14-2012, 09:51 PM

Once again, the Raven game gave us a glimpse of what this D can be.

There are a couple of areas that still need to improve, but this defense still can be very good if they are put into a position to succeed.

**Iowanian** · 10-14-2012, 09:51 PM

This defense wouldn't be in the top 10 if the entire Marvel Comic and Avenger characters were starting.

L.A. Chieffan · 10-14-2012, 10:04 PM

Tyson Jackson might be one of the all time worst top three picks of all time.

**BossChief** · 10-14-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Tyson Jackson might be one of the all time worst top three picks of all time.

He makes Ryan Sims look like Reggie White.

L.A. Chieffan · 10-14-2012, 10:07 PM

The only reason that pos is still on the team is it would have made Pioli look bad to cut his ass.

**BossChief** · 10-14-2012, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

The only reason that pos is still on the team is it would have made Pioli look bad to cut his ass.

Same as Cassel...

I bet Clark is happy about that 110 million that Pioli threw out the window trying to look like the smartest man in the room, and in turn, looking like the village idiot.

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