ZMA is the shit

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

Sleep is overrated for recovery. Food quantity/quality is much more important. I don't think I've had more than 5hr sleep/night since my daughter was born 9 months ago, and I still hit PR's. Shit I had 2 hours sleep last week and drove upstate with a buddy for a meet and still hit a 1200 total.

Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer

Wat?

Get more sleep and you'll be even better?

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer

Wat?

Whats not to understand? Do you need a consistent 8hrs of sleep to recover? Nope. I've been eating my ass off and sleeping 4-5 hrs/night, and training 5 sometimes 6 times per week and recovering fine. Weights going up every week so whats complicated about that? Am I tired, hell yeah. Nothing a good pre-workout drink can't fix.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

Sleep is overrated for recovery. Food quantity/quality is much more important. I don't think I've had more than 5hr sleep/night since my daughter was born 9 months ago, and I still hit PR's. Shit I had 2 hours sleep last week and drove upstate with a buddy for a meet and still hit a 1200 total.

A 1200 total? I hope you're 130 pounds.

Sleep is the most important factor in recovery. You may can pull off a decent training session here or there with lack of sleep, but without a lot of solid sleep growth will be inhibited.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

A 1200 total? I hope you're 130 pounds.

Sleep is the most important factor in recovery. You may can pull off a decent training session here or there with lack of sleep, but without a lot of solid sleep growth will be inhibited.

Just DL/SQ. Cant bench for another 6 months, just had 3 osteophytes removed from my left shoulders. Not nearly as strong as some of the beasts on this site, but not bad considering the injuries I've been through. Anyway..

I'm sure 8 hours would be better, but I cant remember for the life of me the last time I had that much. Everyone is different and what some people need to grow isn't the same as the next. People respond differently to different types of training, intensity, etc but as long as caloric needs are met, I think people can and will grow off low sleep. Not NO sleep, but 5-6 hours per night should b fine.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

Sleep is overrated for recovery. Food quantity/quality is much more important. I don't think I've had more than 5hr sleep/night since my daughter was born 9 months ago, and I still hit PR's. Shit I had 2 hours sleep last week and drove upstate with a buddy for a meet and still hit a 1200 total.

Huh?

[TheGuardian]

ZMA really works, and has been proven to. It's not placebo.

It's not so much that it makes you sleepy, but it relaxes your mind which allow you to fall asleep easier.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

ZMA really works, and has been proven to. It's not placebo.

It's not so much that it makes you sleepy, but it relaxes your mind which allow you to fall asleep easier.

...if you are deficient in zinc or magnesium

[savchief]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

ZMA really works, and has been proven to. It's not placebo.

It's not so much that it makes you sleepy, but it relaxes your mind which allow you to fall asleep easier.

Not true, I just looked and there are exactly ZERO studies say ZMA has any effect on anything, and there are well-designed double blind studies showing it has zero effect on testosterone. So the feeling more "manly" is pure placebo. Sleep evidence is all word of mouth (anecdotal). No studies have been done as far as I see pertaining to sleep benefits.
One study had "evidence" that it increased testosterone, but that study was done by ZMA creator, Victor Conte of BALCO infamy. The study has been discredited and has never been duplicated.
But the placebo effect is often just as real for those who feel it. If you believe it's giving you better sleep, then enjoy. Only thing getting hurt is your wallet.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by savchief

Not true, I just looked and there are exactly ZERO studies say ZMA has any effect on anything, and there are well-designed double blind studies showing it has zero effect on testosterone. So the feeling more "manly" is pure placebo. Sleep evidence is all word of mouth (anecdotal). No studies have been done as far as I see pertaining to sleep benefits.
One study had "evidence" that it increased testosterone, but that study was done by ZMA creator, Victor Conte of BALCO infamy. The study has been discredited and has never been duplicated.
But the placebo effect is often just as real for those who feel it. If you believe it's giving you better sleep, then enjoy. Only thing getting hurt is your wallet.

It would only make you "feel more manly" if you were already deficient in zinc. Then yes, it would help raise natural test levels.

But either way, you're wrong.

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/Blog/...Deficient.aspx

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by savchief

Not true, I just looked and there are exactly ZERO studies say ZMA has any effect on anything, and there are well-designed double blind studies showing it has zero effect on testosterone. So the feeling more "manly" is pure placebo. Sleep evidence is all word of mouth (anecdotal). No studies have been done as far as I see pertaining to sleep benefits.
One study had "evidence" that it increased testosterone, but that study was done by ZMA creator, Victor Conte of BALCO infamy. The study has been discredited and has never been duplicated.
But the placebo effect is often just as real for those who feel it. If you believe it's giving you better sleep, then enjoy. Only thing getting hurt is your wallet.

I get asked all the time why I don't post in the fitness and supp threads anymore and it is because of posts like this. The calming effects of magnesium and calcium were well known way back when I was a just a kid which was a long time ago. I am sure you could come up with all kids of examples right here at the planet. About 6 months back Iherb sent me a few complimentary packs to try. A deeper undisturbed sleep is immediately noticeable as well as the ability to sleep longer. I usually can only sleep 7 hours but I can sleep up to 10 hours after taking the product and yes because of that you definately have more dreams you remember. I bought a couple bottles and have turned friends and family onto it and have recieved the same feedback with one even dumping his sleep meds. You certainly will not be bringing a tranquilizer to the party but the effects are very noticeable.

On a supp note I have to say I love using nitric oxide. I got a bottle of vitrix the other day as I was told the product was amazing. It's like walking around at 16 again with a boner. YOu want to **** until you draw back a bloody stub and have unfriggen believably strong orgasms you gotta roll with that combo. I like their t-up product as well with a little reversitrol when cycling down.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I get asked all the time why I don't post in the fitness and supp threads anymore and it is because of posts like this. The calming effects of magnesium and calcium were well known way back when I was a just a kid which was a long time ago. I am sure you could come up with all kids of examples right here at the planet. About 6 months back Iherb sent me a few complimentary packs to try. A deeper undisturbed sleep is immediately noticeable as well as the ability to sleep longer. I usually can only sleep 7 hours but I can sleep up to 10 hours after taking the product and yes because of that you definately have more dreams you remember. I bought a couple bottles and have turned friends and family onto it and have recieved the same feedback with one even dumping his sleep meds. You certainly will not be bringing a tranquilizer to the party but the effects are very noticeable.

On a supp note I have to say I love using nitric oxide. I got a bottle of vitrix the other day as I was told the product was amazing. It's like walking around at 16 again with a boner. YOu want to **** until you draw back a bloody stub and have unfriggen believably strong orgasms you gotta roll with that combo. I like their t-up product as well with a little reversitrol when cycling down.

I had a similar experience using Plasma Jet from Gaspari, but not a fan of NO products as a whole. I do love me some stims though.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Slick

I had a similar experience using Plasma Jet from Gaspari, but not a fan of NO products as a whole. I do love me some stims though.

The only thing I have from ON is the ZMA

[Buck]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I get asked all the time why I don't post in the fitness and supp threads anymore and it is because of posts like this. The calming effects of magnesium and calcium were well known way back when I was a just a kid which was a long time ago. I am sure you could come up with all kids of examples right here at the planet. About 6 months back Iherb sent me a few complimentary packs to try. A deeper undisturbed sleep is immediately noticeable as well as the ability to sleep longer. I usually can only sleep 7 hours but I can sleep up to 10 hours after taking the product and yes because of that you definately have more dreams you remember. I bought a couple bottles and have turned friends and family onto it and have recieved the same feedback with one even dumping his sleep meds. You certainly will not be bringing a tranquilizer to the party but the effects are very noticeable.

On a supp note I have to say I love using nitric oxide. I got a bottle of vitrix the other day as I was told the product was amazing. It's like walking around at 16 again with a boner. YOu want to **** until you draw back a bloody stub and have unfriggen believably strong orgasms you gotta roll with that combo. I like their t-up product as well with a little reversitrol when cycling down.

Does it have Yohimbe in it? That stuff always does the same to me.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Buck

Does it have Yohimbe in it? That stuff always does the same to me.

liquid-German tribulus

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

ZMA really works, and has been proven to. It's not placebo.

It's not so much that it makes you sleepy, but it relaxes your mind which allow you to fall asleep easier.

I've been taking generic lorazapam for years for that effect.

I'll definitely try it unless it's like $30 a bottle...