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A mock draft that will make your heads explode
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfp-moc...0103--nfl.html
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Let's take a look at three possible outcomes come draft day: 1. Geno Smith in the first and Kevin Minter in the second. 2. Manti Te'o in the first and, say, Ryan Nassib or Mike Glennon in the second. 3. Luke Joeckel in the first and trade our second for Alex Smith. I think I'll go with door number one, Bob. That's two Day 1 high level starters. Yes please. |
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Manti Te'o isn't this prized treasure that every defense needs. He's not a once-in-a-lifetime player. He's not ****ing Ray Lewis. I don't know why the hell you think he is.
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![]() Sometimes you have to dumb it down that far for people to grasp the concept that perhaps there is, in fact, a logical process to the draft. And not just drafting a QB with your first pick because you need one, regardless of who else is on the board. Quote:
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As for the draft route, it doesn't do anything but allow us to get maximum value out of our first two draft picks, nothing else. I really doubt at this point, that both Wilson and Smith will be gone inside of the top 10. I also doubt that there will be a thin group of solid QB's at the start of the second round. There will be 2, at most 3 QB's taken in the first, and right now, that might even look high. That is how bad this QB draft class is. That does not mean this draft class isn't good as a whole. So many of you seem to think that the draft is based solely on the QB position. That if there isn't a solid group of QB's, the draft sucks and there isn't a solid group of players in the draft at all. That is incorrect, this is probably the most stacked linemen draft we've seen in a long time. There are a ton of serviceable QB's available, as well as a ton of linebackers available. I'm not going to argue that there isn't talent in this draft at the ILB position, I'm just saying that if there is ONE guy who ends up being leaps and bounds above everyone else, and that isn't at the QB position, and it ends up being a guy in a position of need, why not take him and get your QB later? You certainly won't lose talent by doing this. And I really think you are underselling Te'o, it is really hard to place value on a solid tackler from a drafting perspective, but in game time situations, priceless. And what has been our biggest weakness in the front 7 for the last few years? Tackling inside the tackles, go figure. |
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Smith and Wilson will be gone within the top 10. Barkley will be gone in the first round. Glennon MIGHT be gone as well, depending on what Aaron Murray is doing. We're going to have to pick from Tyler Bray and Ryan Nassib in the 2nd round, both players who need time on the bench with the coaches before they get thrown onto the field. They're garbage compared to Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson. Both of those guys have elite QB talent that you don't find in every draft. It's idiocy to pass that up all in the name of draft value. All you're doing right now is ensuring me that the QBs will be there in the 2nd round. I think you're a ****ing lunatic. There's no way a Day 1 starting QB will be there in the 2nd round for us. At least 3 will be taken in the 1st. Likely 4, and possibly 5. Those are NOT good odds for our guy that we draft. All so we could take ****ing TEO? |
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Or: 1. Geno Smith 2. Xavier Rhodes 3a. Margus Hunt 3b. Jonathan Franklin 4. Baccari Rambo 5. AJ Klein 6. Marcus Lattimore 7. Ray Ray Armstrong |
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Drafting a LB to improve the tackling is like drafting a WR to improve the drop percentage.
What you want is a LB who will always be in a position to make the play. That's what Patrick Willis does very well. The opposite is a guy who is incapable of getting into a good position, but always wraps up when he does. Like Mike Maslowski. Te'o is something in between. But he sure as **** ain't Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis, and that's not going to help us out one bit. Geno Smith, however, WILL help us out if he even plays decent. He'll help us out A LOT. |
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All along? Did I say that? Talking about right now. Your listing of Barkley over Wilson shows you are stuck on pre-season thoughts. Watch some Barkley. I have never listed other mocks as my source so not sure how what they say contradicts anything. |
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As for the last bit, I'm not shafting Talent at the QB level really, if they are all the same, if they are all literally at a tie, why the **** would I EVER IN MY LIFE take one with the first pick of the draft, if there is a position of need that has separated himself from the rest, knowing I can get THE EXACT SAME PRODUCT at QB in the 2nd, rather than the first? I wouldn't be shafting talent if they are all equal, now would I? ERMAHGERD THERT MERKS SCERNTS Quote:
I just did what? There wasn't really a structure in there to make that remark with..........lol If you really think Nassib/Glennon is our option with our 2nd round draft pick, you are putting far too much "need" for QB's going into this draft for the teams in the NFL lol. Also, go ahead and put Bray in as the #4 guy ahead of Nassib, Glennon, and Murray, if you have Murray ahead of him. That being said, if my option is Te'o in the first and Wilson/Bray/Smith/Barkley in the 2nd, I'd rather that, RIGHT NOW (qualifying word, be careful) than Smith and Minter/Ogletree. Emphasis on RIGHT NOW, since that is the qualifying word in that sentence and everything is subject and likely to change after the combine. Quote:
Because I think a lot of people here on CP undervalue him because all they want to look at is a QB right now. And to be honest, that is a completely justifiable reason to make that statement, because if you take a step back right now, all this forum is about is QB's right now, we don't give a **** what else is going on with this roster, QB is the only position we care about. Not the contracts/lack of contracts for Bowe, Albert, Colquitt, much more important players right now than which of 5 QB's we take in this draft who haven't managed to really separate themselves yet. Shameful really, collectively we are all so narrow minded and focused on Geno that we have lost interest elsewhere. |
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At some point you said you needed to look at more tape on a few guys. Kinda sounds like somebody not doing as much research as NightFyre. Or maybe we all misunderstood you yet again. It's all the sarcasm and lack of reading comprehension. Yeah, everyone is making the exact same mistakes. Probably not just you.
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1. Luke Kuechly: 1st round 2. NaVorro Bowman: 3rd round 3. Chad Greenway: 1st round 4. Jerod Mayo: 1st round 5. Jerrell Freeman: Undrafted free agent 6. James Laurinaitis: 2nd round 7. Bobby Wagner: 2nd round 8. Lavonte David: 2nd round 9. London Fletcher: Undrafted free agent 10. Paul Posluszny: 2nd round 11. Karlos Dansby: 2nd round 12. Daryl Washington: 2nd round 13. Russell Allen: Undrafted free agent 14. Perry Riley: 4th round 15. Vontaze Burfict: Undrafted free agent 16. Derrick Johnson: 1st round 17. Morgan Burnett: 3rd round 18. David Harris: 2nd round 19. Curtis Lofton: 2nd round 20. Rey Maualuga: 2nd round ![]() |
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And also, until we see a Combine and a few pro days, we cannot assume any player has truly separated themselves from the rest, when the talking heads themselves are picking a new QB every week for the #1 QB taken. Quote:
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Don't just argue that I'm wrong, jump inside of my hypothesis and justify your decision, or simply say "In your hypothesis you are correct, we should do that". I'm tired of having to argue adjusted variables in your guys' arguments here. My argument is simply if everything is set in stone as it sits and there is ZERO separation at QB and we are GUARANTEED to get the same talent in round 2 as round 1, would you really draft a QB? That's all I'm asking here. Simple Yes or No would suffice. "Yes" for "I'm an idiot" "No" for "I have a brain and use it at least thrice a day". Quote:
As for QBs, I have Wilson above Barkley, but that doesn't mean Wilson will get drafted first. Contrary to popular belief Mr. Herptyderp, teams don't normally draft players based on their ranking. HUGE ****ING SHOCK MIND BLOWN |
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Where did the 5-7th round guys go? :/ |
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Alright gonna play some devil's advocate here.
Say that 3 weeks from now at the Senior Bowl, every QB there doesn't look great. They all look about the same. Nothing special or standing out to an NFL coaching staff and scouts have concerns. Then at the combine, some of them show really good IQ, but again their physical abilities are good in different areas (size, touch, accuracy, etc). Going into April, scouts from across the league, as well as GM's, reportedly don't think that any of these QB's warrant a top 10 pick because the class is that bad. You try to trade down but nobody bites and you're stuck at 1st overall. What do you do? |
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Because I believe in logic and practical analysis, and don't believe that at eam will draft a guy solely because Kiper ranks him higher. So while I do have Wilson very high on my list, I don't think the draft will follow that suit because what works for one team, will not always work for another. You'll also remember that there seems to be USC QB love in the NFL, often making guys go much earlier than they should have in the draft, Barkley is definitely going to benefit from that IMO, but I do not think more than 3 QBs are taken in the draft, thus why I accepted that bet earlier for the sig. |
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