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[saphojunkie]

Here's my big question -

If Geno Smith isn't worth the #1 overall pick, what pick is he worth? 7? 10? 15?

At what point would the Chiefs look at the board and say, "He's our guy."

Because it seems to me that, if he isn't worth the #1 overall pick, then he isn't worth a first round pick period.

And since our 2nd rounder is basically a first, would they even take him there? What's the ****ing difference between getting him at 1 and getting him at #34? Either way, he is going to be your QB for the foreseeable future. Either way, you're probably not drafting a first round QB next year.

So why wouldn't you just take him at #1? I still can't believe there's a single player in this draft who is appreciably better than Geno Smith.

I just don't believe in Best Player Available. Or, rather, I believe it should be Most IMPACTFUL Player Available. The MIPA.

You cannot tell me there is a more impactful player than Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson - whoever is better - in this draft.

Star Lotuleilei will not give you more wins than Geno or Wilson. He won't. Period. Joeckel won't either. What, he's going to come in and allow ZERO sacks? Because that's the only way to improve on Albert's play this year.

It's just so ****ing infuriating. It makes no sense to have turned our backs on the QB position in this draft already.

[OmahaChief]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

So why wouldn't you just take him at #1? I still can't believe there's a single player in this draft who is appreciably better than Geno Smith.

Because you would be passing up other players that could have a big impact on the team as well. The A&M tackle would look great on our line at one and then if could get Smith later you would have two excellent prospects. You will not get a talent like Luke J at pick 34 but you could find a QB nearly as good as Smith in many people's opinion.

[silver5liter]

Originally Posted by OmahaChief

Because you would be passing up other players that could have a big impact on the team as well. The A&M tackle would look great on our line at one and then if could get Smith later you would have two excellent prospects. You will not get a talent like Luke J at pick 34 but you could find a QB nearly as good as Smith in many people's opinion.

You think that an ot would have a bigger impact then a QB. You have got to be kidding me. Branden Albert gave up one damn sack last year. Why the **** would we waste that pick on his replacement. Also no ****ing way you are getting a QB as good as Geno with out second pick, Zero.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So? Either was Eli Manning or Philip Rivers. Or Aaron Rodgers for that matter.

That shouldn't be the criteria, IMO. Even McNabb didn't start his rookie season.

Three legit first-rounders. And we just had this exchange relative to Gabbert, who was also a legit first-rounder who also had no business starting year one, week one.

I'd be happy to try to take this kid off Jacksonville's hands for a fourth. He's a good bet for a reclamation project.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Interesting. So potentially, he is a starting NFL QB, but it's unlikely he'll be ready come September to lead a team?

Potentially, sure. There's natural talent there, but I think he's incredibly raw. He sits all of year one.

And as you're well aware, the odds of "hitting" with a QB taken in the third or later aren't real great, but it doesn't mean that it cannot happen, obviously.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And as you're well aware, the odds of "hitting" with a QB taken in the third or later aren't real great, but it doesn't mean that it cannot happen, obviously.

I agree.

But it would be nice to have a long term, competent back up QB. You know, a guy that wouldn't shit himself and is actually capable of winning games.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I agree.

But it would be nice to have a long term, competent back up QB. You know, a guy that wouldn't shit himself and is actually capable of winning games.

Absolutely.

The QB position on this team is so terrible that we have to throw numbers at the situation. I would have absolutely no problem with doing all three of the following:

1. Acquiring a legit "vet" option (such as a Flynn, whom I believe we could have for nominal cost if we're willing to take on the contract).
2. Drafting a QB whom we believe has franchise potential in the first, ideally. Definitely no later than the top of round two.
3. Throwing a late-round pick at a QB.

At the very least, we must accomplish two of the three above options.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Absolutely.

The QB position on this team is so terrible that we have to throw numbers at the situation. I would have absolutely no problem with doing all three of the following:

1. Acquiring a legit "vet" option (such as a Flynn, whom I believe we could have for nominal cost if we're willing to take on the contract).
2. Drafting a QB whom we believe has franchise potential in the first, ideally. Definitely no later than the top of round two.
3. Throwing a late-round pick at a QB.

At the very least, we must accomplish two of the three above options.

I'll take all three, i've advocated for your well said "throw numbers at it" proposition many times.

There is almost NOTHING that should be considered over the top in the search for a bona-fide player at that position.

[silver5liter]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Three legit first-rounders. And we just had this exchange relative to Gabbert, who was also a legit first-rounder who also had no business starting year one, week one.

I'd be happy to try to take this kid off Jacksonville's hands for a fourth. He's a good bet for a reclamation project.



Potentially, sure. There's natural talent there, but I think he's incredibly raw. He sits all of year one.

And as you're well aware, the odds of "hitting" with a QB taken in the third or later aren't real great, but it doesn't mean that it cannot happen, obviously.

For a later round prospect to add to Geno I like Dysert over Nassib even though Nassib will probably go earlier.

[OmahaChief]

Originally Posted by silver5liter

You think that an ot would have a bigger impact then a QB. You have got to be kidding me. Branden Albert gave up one damn sack last year. Why the **** would we waste that pick on his replacement. Also no ****ing way you are getting a QB as good as Geno with out second pick, Zero.

We don't even know of Albert is going to be here long term yet. The tackle is being talked about as a can't miss type of guy while Smith is already being talked about high risk. A strong Oline can help any offense.

I would bet there will be a qb taken in the second round that will have a better career than Smith. Someone like Landry Jones might be that type of guy.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by OmahaChief

We don't even know of Albert is going to be here long term yet. The tackle is being talked about as a can't miss type of guy while Smith is already being talked about high risk. A strong Oline can help any offense.

I would bet there will be a qb taken in the second round that will have a better career than Smith. Someone like Landry Jones might be that type of guy.

[Chiefaholic]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Here's my big question -

If Geno Smith isn't worth the #1 overall pick, what pick is he worth? 7? 10? 15?

At what point would the Chiefs look at the board and say, "He's our guy."

Because it seems to me that, if he isn't worth the #1 overall pick, then he isn't worth a first round pick period.

And since our 2nd rounder is basically a first, would they even take him there? What's the ****ing difference between getting him at 1 and getting him at #34? Either way, he is going to be your QB for the foreseeable future. Either way, you're probably not drafting a first round QB next year.

So why wouldn't you just take him at #1? I still can't believe there's a single player in this draft who is appreciably better than Geno Smith.

I just don't believe in Best Player Available. Or, rather, I believe it should be Most IMPACTFUL Player Available. The MIPA.

You cannot tell me there is a more impactful player than Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson - whoever is better - in this draft.

Star Lotuleilei will not give you more wins than Geno or Wilson. He won't. Period. Joeckel won't either. What, he's going to come in and allow ZERO sacks? Because that's the only way to improve on Albert's play this year.

It's just so ****ing infuriating. It makes no sense to have turned our backs on the QB position in this draft already.

Perhaps the Chiefs are being smart about this and not tipping their cap as to who they plan to take. This makes the #1 overall that much more valuable if somebody in the 2-4 spot are terrified you might take their guy.

[HolyHat]

Originally Posted by Chiefaholic

Perhaps the Chiefs are being smart about this and not tipping their cap as to who they plan to take. This makes the #1 overall that much more valuable if somebody in the 2-4 spot are terrified you might take their guy.

Problem is, nobody in this draft is worth getting a chub over in the first 10 picks. A lot of really good players are going to end up middle to late round.

The thing we have to worry about is the Jags or Raiders falling in love with Geno and worried we will take him, so they throw some blockbuster trade at us. If that happens, Dorsey will probably bite.