Chiefs Joeckel vs. Alberts - Page 11

Coogs · 02-23-2013, 01:18 PM

I would like to think Brandon Albert got a little bit richer today.

I also would like to believe the QB's in this draft started picking up some steam in their rise to the top of the draft.

O.city · 02-23-2013, 10:37 AM

Joeckel isn't exactly setting it ablaze there.

**The Franchise** · 02-23-2013, 11:25 AM

Eric Fisher will be a better LT than Joeckel.

suds79 · 02-23-2013, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Eric Fisher will be a better LT than Joeckel.

Certainly appears (take the combine for what you will) more athletic IMO. Taller and I thought has a more muscular build.

**The Franchise** · 02-23-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Certainly appears (take the combine for what you will) more athletic IMO. Taller and I thought has a more muscular build.

He also didn't have Manziel making him look better than he really is.

RyFo18 · 02-23-2013, 11:51 AM

I just got back from Wal-Marts and overheard someone talking about Alberts.

OrtonsPiercedTaint · 02-23-2013, 01:13 PM

Must be time to move a CB to #1. So he will eventually get cut down to size too.

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 01:16 PM

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-dra...l-40-yard-dash

Luke Joeckel, arguably the top player in the 2013 NFL Draft ran poor 40-yard dash times at the NFL Combine.

Unofficially, he ran times of 5.22 and 5.35, while Lane Johnson ran a 4.75 in both of his chances. Joeckel's closest competition for the top tackle spot in the draft, Eric Fisher, ran an unofficial 5.01 and a 5.07.

Consider this a warning. People are going to start talking about how Joeckel's 40-yard dash time compares favorably to Cincinnati Bengals right tackle Andre Smith. Or how the best tackles taken in recent years – Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Duane Brown, Trent Williams, Russell Okung, Tyron Smith and Matt Kalil – all broke the five-second mark in the 40.

They're also going to bring up NFL Network's Mike Mayock saying he's "a bit concerned" how Joeckel handled speed rushers and that he was beat on the inside.

But remember at the 2010 combine when Bruce Campbell of Maryland ran a 4.78? Or in 2007 when Allen Barbre ran a 4.84? NFL teams probably don't.

The point is, the 40-yard dash for offensive tackles largely doesn't matter. The 40-yard dash doesn't measure athleticism. It's not the three-cone drill. The drill tests pure speed, and nothing else. It's notable that Joeckel ran slow times. It's not newsworthy. It certainly shouldn't hurt his NFL Draft stock. He should still be the first tackle selected.

"Yeah, definitely coming into this thing I wanted to be the first tackle taken in the draft," Joeckel said at the NFL Combine. "Now I know it’s a long process until then. I’m trying to do every single thing right to make sure that happens. I know it’s a competition between him (Central Michigan’s Eric Fisher) against the other guys, you know (Oklahoma’s) Lane Johnson. It’s good type of competition between all of us. That’s one of the fun parts about the combine – the competition aspect of it, going against some of the best athletes at your position in the country."

Mr. Laz · 02-23-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-dra...l-40-yard-dash

Luke Joeckel, arguably the top player in the 2013 NFL Draft ran poor 40-yard dash times at the NFL Combine.

Unofficially, he ran times of 5.22 and 5.35, while Lane Johnson ran a 4.75 in both of his chances. Joeckel's closest competition for the top tackle spot in the draft, Eric Fisher, ran an unofficial 5.01 and a 5.07.

I don't really care about the 40

I'm far more concerned with how slow he started ... very little explosion. He also looked pretty 'dumpy'. I'm not sure if he considers himself in shape or not but he doesn't look it.

htismaqe · 02-23-2013, 01:18 PM

The most significant portion of his 40 is that he looked like he was slow getting started.

That's a BIG problem for a lineman.

The biggest concern about Joeckel is that he's a pure "finesse" player and lacks strength. So far, he's showing that those concerns are absolutely valid.

Just wait until they run the "explosion" drills and he fails those too.

mcaj22 · 02-23-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The most significant portion of his 40 is that he looked like he was slow getting started.

That's a BIG problem for a lineman.

The biggest concern about Joeckel is that he's a pure "finesse" player and lacks strength. So far, he's showing that those concerns are absolutely valid.

Just wait until they run the "explosion" drills and he fails those too.

the irony that he's a "finesse" LT and the prediction out on him is he will get beat like a drum by every NFL next level speed rusher out there.

great

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The most significant portion of his 40 is that he looked like he was slow getting started.

That's a BIG problem for a lineman.

The biggest concern about Joeckel is that he's a pure "finesse" player and lacks strength. So far, he's showing that those concerns are absolutely valid.

Just wait until they run the "explosion" drills and he fails those too.

His stock is dropping. The pundits are looking stupid.

**AustinChief** · 02-23-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

His stock is dropping. The pundits are looking stupid.

I never understood why he was rated so high to begin with. Fisher I get, but not Joekel.

Jerm · 02-23-2013, 01:24 PM

I told a buddy a couple of weeks ago that I'd take Fisher over Joeckel 10 times out of 10 and Joeckel is the most overrated guy in the draft....still no doubt in my mind.

Manziel and their scheme made Joeckel look like a million bucks.

**AustinChief** · 02-23-2013, 05:17 PM

Drafting the 2nd best LT coming out this year (I honestly think Fisher is better than Joekel) would be insanely stupid when you have legit options available as free agents. Obviously your best bet is to sign the guy you have... BUT if that is somehow not possible... you have a ton of decent options this year without having to use the #1 pick. I am a huge proponent of a strong Oline but using our 1st rounder on oline this year is about the only draft choice that would piss me off. If we don't go QB, we need to scramble to trade down(not likely) or look at CB. But if we need a LT, there are plenty of serviceable free agents this year.

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Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-dra...l-40-yard-dash Luke Joeckel, arguably the top player in the 2013 NFL Draft ran poor 40-yard dash times at the NFL Combine. Unofficially, he ran times of 5.22 and 5.35, while Lane Johnson ran a 4.75 in both of his chances. Joeckel's closest competition for the top tackle spot in the draft, Eric Fisher, ran an unofficial 5.01 and a 5.07. Consider this a warning. People are going to start talking about how Joeckel's 40-yard dash time compares favorably to Cincinnati Bengals right tackle Andre Smith. Or how the best tackles taken in recent years – Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Duane Brown, Trent Williams, Russell Okung, Tyron Smith and Matt Kalil – all broke the five-second mark in the 40. They're also going to bring up NFL Network's Mike Mayock saying he's "a bit concerned" how Joeckel handled speed rushers and that he was beat on the inside. But remember at the 2010 combine when Bruce Campbell of Maryland ran a 4.78? Or in 2007 when Allen Barbre ran a 4.84? NFL teams probably don't. The point is, the 40-yard dash for offensive tackles largely doesn't matter. The 40-yard dash doesn't measure athleticism. It's not the three-cone drill. The drill tests pure speed, and nothing else. It's notable that Joeckel ran slow times. It's not newsworthy. It certainly shouldn't hurt his NFL Draft stock. He should still be the first tackle selected. "Yeah, definitely coming into this thing I wanted to be the first tackle taken in the draft," Joeckel said at the NFL Combine. "Now I know it’s a long process until then. I’m trying to do every single thing right to make sure that happens. I know it’s a competition between him (Central Michigan’s Eric Fisher) against the other guys, you know (Oklahoma’s) Lane Johnson. It’s good type of competition between all of us. That’s one of the fun parts about the combine – the competition aspect of it, going against some of the best athletes at your position in the country."
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8069900	The most significant portion of his 40 is that he looked like he was slow getting started. That's a BIG problem for a lineman. The biggest concern about Joeckel is that he's a pure "finesse" player and lacks strength. So far, he's showing that those concerns are absolutely valid. Just wait until they run the "explosion" drills and he fails those too.
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Jerm Mahomes > God Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $4348996	I told a buddy a couple of weeks ago that I'd take Fisher over Joeckel 10 times out of 10 and Joeckel is the most overrated guy in the draft....still no doubt in my mind. Manziel and their scheme made Joeckel look like a million bucks.
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02-23-2013, 05:17 PM	#15
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $-814998	Drafting the 2nd best LT coming out this year (I honestly think Fisher is better than Joekel) would be insanely stupid when you have legit options available as free agents. Obviously your best bet is to sign the guy you have... BUT if that is somehow not possible... you have a ton of decent options this year without having to use the #1 pick. I am a huge proponent of a strong Oline but using our 1st rounder on oline this year is about the only draft choice that would piss me off. If we don't go QB, we need to scramble to trade down(not likely) or look at CB. But if we need a LT, there are plenty of serviceable free agents this year.
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