Chiefs Joeckel vs. Alberts - Page 9

Ace Gunner · 02-23-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Are you really comparing a collegiate level LT that has not seen a second of action in the NFL to a NFL vet entering his 6th season at LT?

oh he'll get his rookie lumps, but he's better at pass protection than Albert will ever be. that dude is a technician at the LT position. i know it hurts your lil vag to read somebody else is better than your lil chiefee, but this lesson will help you grow up.

oh. wait.

Rasputin · 02-23-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

oh he'll get his rookie lumps, but he's better at pass protection than Albert will ever be. that dude is a technician at the LT position. i know it hurts your lil vag to read somebody else is better than your lil chiefee, but this lesson will help you grow up.

oh. wait.

Joeckeloff can be the next Willie Roaf I don't give a **** won't matter with out a franchise QB that we will miss out on. **** Joeckel defeats any purpose of having the number 1 pick in the draft.

milkman · 02-23-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

I would like to see them re -- up Albert at LT and let this existing OL come in and play a season. This would free up that #1 pick which should be used on the QB regardless what a reach it will be, this franchise needs to get in the QB sweepstakes for once in its damn life and stay in it because that is key in today's goodell happy NFL.

But, Joeckel is a better pass blocker than Albert and will always be better at this than Albert. He is quick/agressive in adjusting and keeping pass rushers in front of him, which requires quick feet and strong upper body -- Brandon Albert just does not have this, he's more or less a guy that will buy you a few moments pass protection and then he loses his guy to a move of some sort, but I think he's good enough for a quick passing scheme like Reid's WCO.

Further proof that you have no idea what you are talking about.

In drills at the combines, Abert displayed quickness that rivaled Ryan Clady.

His issues have always been technique.

He just started to use his hands and his hips properly last season.
He had been just trying to win his battles previously simply by leaning on people.

He still has some work to do to clean up his technique, but. You don't give up only one sack

duncan_idaho · 02-23-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

I would like to see them re -- up Albert at LT and let this existing OL come in and play a season. This would free up that #1 pick which should be used on the QB regardless what a reach it will be, this franchise needs to get in the QB sweepstakes for once in its damn life and stay in it because that is key in today's goodell happy NFL.

But, Joeckel is a better pass blocker than Albert and will always be better at this than Albert. He is quick/agressive in adjusting and keeping pass rushers in front of him, which requires quick feet and strong upper body -- Brandon Albert just does not have this, he's more or less a guy that will buy you a few moments pass protection and then he loses his guy to a move of some sort, but I think he's good enough for a quick passing scheme like Reid's WCO.

Brandon Albert gave up one sack in pass pro last year. He is an excellent pass protector and grades out as such. The CHiefs' average rush when running left also speaks well for Albert's abilities as a run blocker. Joeckel is PROJECTED to be an excellent NFL pass pro guy, but he also had problems with the bull rush at times in college and was exposed a few times just this season by guys with legit NFL strength/speed combos.

Joeckel is NOT a flawless prospect. Just like everyone else in this draft.

Ace Gunner · 02-23-2013, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Brandon Albert gave up one sack in pass pro last year. He is an excellent pass protector and grades out as such. The CHiefs' average rush when running left also speaks well for Albert's abilities as a run blocker. Joeckel is PROJECTED to be an excellent NFL pass pro guy, but he also had problems with the bull rush at times in college and was exposed a few times just this season by guys with legit NFL strength/speed combos.

Joeckel is NOT a flawless prospect. Just like everyone else in this draft.

oh, well shit -- I guess I fail to see Brandon Albert IS FLAWLESS!!!!!

ridicule has taken over. I'm out.

patteeu · 02-23-2013, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

First, what no one even begins note, is that last season was only Albert's 4th season in his playing career at the. LT position.

He had to learn on the job essentially, and has just started to touch his potential.
He still has more upside, and hasn't even come close to reaching his cceiling, and he is already a top LT.

If you want to argue that Joekel. Has more potential, I would disagree with argument.

Second, to patteau's idea, it simply is not a sound financial decision.

Forget the fact that you'd be paying LT money to guard.

With your plan, with the rookie slotting, you would be committing 15 to 16 mil a year to just 2 line positions.

Not a sound Llotment of.

You'd have 3 rookie contracts on the OL and one pretty reasonable FA contract at RT. It wouldn't be unsound if you look at the big picture.

milkman · 02-23-2013, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

You'd have 3 rookie contracts on the OL and one pretty reasonable FA contract at RT. It wouldn't be unsound if you look at the big picture.

You will be paying Albert between 10 and 11 mil.
With rookie slotting, you will be paying Joekel about 5 mil.

That's 15 to 16 mil for 2 positions on the line.

Not sure what Winston gets paid, but it has to be at least 3.

That brings you number to 18-19.

That isn't simply poor cap managment.
That's downright stupid.

**FRCDFED** · 02-23-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You will be paying Albert between 10 and 11 mil.
With rookie slotting, you will be paying Joekel about 5 mil.

That's 15 to 16 mil for 2 positions on the line.

Not sure what Winston gets paid, but it has to be at least 3.

That brings you number to 18-19.

That isn't simply poor cap managment.
That's downright stupid.

. Agreed. Too much to tie up those to positions with minimal return. Now consider the effectiveness of the OL by letting Albert walk and just drafting a C in the third. Then using the first and second round picks on playmakers.

**BossChief** · 02-23-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You will be paying Albert between 10 and 11 mil.
With rookie slotting, you will be paying Joekel about 5 mil.

That's 15 to 16 mil for 2 positions on the line.

Not sure what Winston gets paid, but it has to be at least 3.

That brings you number to 18-19.

That isn't simply poor cap managment.
That's downright stupid.

And Asamoah will need a new contract ater this upcoming season, too. That's not be cheap.

Hammock Parties · 02-23-2013, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

And Asamoah will need a new contract ater this upcoming season, too. That's not be cheap.

He's a non Pro Bowl guard.

He won't be expensive.

Brock · 02-23-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

And Asamoah will need a new contract ater this upcoming season, too. That's not be cheap.

Easily replaced.

CoMoChief · 02-23-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

And Asamoah will need a new contract ater this upcoming season, too. That's not be cheap.

Asamoah is average at best.

Don't understand the homerism that surrounds this guy. He's nothing special....good run blocker, but horrible in pass protection.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-23-2013, 07:25 AM

ALBERT IS NOT A GUARD JFC

milkman · 02-23-2013, 07:26 AM

First, what no one even begins note, is that last season was only Albert's 4th season in his playing career at the. LT position.

He had to learn on the job essentially, and has just started to touch his potential.
He still has more upside, and hasn't even come close to reaching his cceiling, and he is already a top LT.

If you want to argue that Joekel. Has more potential, I would disagree with argument.

Second, to patteau's idea, it simply is not a sound financial decision.

Forget the fact that you'd be paying LT money to guard.

With your plan, with the rookie slotting, you would be committing 15 to 16 mil a year to just 2 line positions.

Not a sound allotent of.

milkman · 02-23-2013, 07:30 AM

That is not a sound allotment of money, even with a lot of cap space.

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02-23-2013, 07:26 AM	#14
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	First, what no one even begins note, is that last season was only Albert's 4th season in his playing career at the. LT position. He had to learn on the job essentially, and has just started to touch his potential. He still has more upside, and hasn't even come close to reaching his cceiling, and he is already a top LT. If you want to argue that Joekel. Has more potential, I would disagree with argument. Second, to patteau's idea, it simply is not a sound financial decision. Forget the fact that you'd be paying LT money to guard. With your plan, with the rookie slotting, you would be committing 15 to 16 mil a year to just 2 line positions. Not a sound allotent of. __________________
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