Mitch Holthus on Des Moines radio daily during camp...updates here - Page 10

htismaqe · 07:28 AM

8/18 Update posted by htismaqe
Hinted (like he hinted Monday about Tynes' arrest) that Todd Collins was in trouble. More to come later today from the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

Vermeil appeared to have Tynes' back, but he was visibly upset with the kicker at other times. Still thinks competition will be brought in.

Surtain has been the star of camp. Said even though the guy is a top NFL CB, he approached camp like he was fighting for the 53rd spot on the roster. Great player and great example. Derrick Johnson is legit and has the chance to be up there with DT, Lanier, and Bell.

On the offensive side, talked alot about LJ and the o-line, and how stellar Roaf and Waters have been.

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8/16 Update posted by jspchief
Talked about Gunther on the rampage.

Morning practice, he tore Grigsby a new asshole for mistakes lining up.

Afternoon practice, he told Alphonso Hodge that he can find 100,000 people to do the job as good as he is, and that he fired the last player that played like that. Apparently Hodge talked back to him at that point, which can't be good for your lifespan.

Coaches that win a superbowl with one team have never won one with the next team.

Vermeil is frustrated with all the man hours missed. Is tired of guys sitting out for every little nick.

Some scrub from ISU quit the team.

Talked a bit about Bell, but didn't say anything that hasn't been in the other threads. Practicing in pads, but not hitting.

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8/15 Update posted by htismaqe
The news is not good boys.

The Chiefs gave up 8 plays over 15 yards. Gunther is beyond furious, Mitch said he was "beside himself". Jared Allen has been demoted, Jimmy Wilkerson is now starting.

Kevin Sampson has a toe tendon problem, out 2-3 weeks. Todd Collins has a possible fracture, out 2-3 weeks. Holcombe will be out 6 weeks.

He said Lawrence Tynes had a bad weekend "on and off the field". When asked to elaborate about the "off the field" comment, he hemmed and hawed and never did answer. Tynes must have gotten drunk too. Anyway, he said there will likely be competition brought into camp. The good news is that Tynes didn't miss a kick yesterday.

Will Shields participated in workouts and could see full practice later this week, so that's at least one good thing.
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8/12 Update posted by htismaqe
Talked about the game. Starters will play slightly more than 1 quarter, except for Priest, LJ, Green, Gonzo. They will likely play only a couple of series'. Shields won't play. Bell won't play. Dunn is out.

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8/11 Update posted by htismaqe
Not much today. Priest and Tony were "dancing like spring chickens" last night so that was good news.

Talked mostly about the defense and the need to create turnovers. Forget yards, the defense last year had only 21 takeaways (franchise record) and 85 plays of longer than 20 yards (NFL average is 55).

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8/10 Update posted by htismaqe
Talked about the WR's. Said, after Kennison, there isn't anybody that stands out. They're all the same. Talked a bit about Booth and McIntyre and their stints in NFLE. Said Freddie is still out, he tried to talk to him last night and Freddie just kinda grumbled and groaned and kept walking. Said that everybody at the position (WR) could be a 1-2 catch guy to compliment Holmes, Gonzo, and WILSON. Yes, he mentioned Wilson in the same breath as Holmes and Gonzales. Said the team will likely keep only 5 maybe 6 WR's.

He said the team is much healthier already. Both Priest and Gonzo were back last night and looking better. Not sure about LJ.

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8/9 Update posted by htismaqe
Concerned about special teams because of loss of Blaylock and Beisel. Said Boomer or Scanlon is going to have to step up. The good news is that Benny Sapp is turning into a monster on special teams.

Also concerned about reps on Friday vs. the Vikings. Gonzo is better, wasn't limping much last night, but he won't play. Dunn won't play. Priest probably won't play. Larry Johnson is now dinged up, minor, but might not play.

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8/8 Update posted by htismaqe
Very concerned about Tony's foot. He was limping pretty bad all weekend. Seemed concerned about Jason Dunn too.

Greg Wesley looks like he's out to prove that he's still a hitter. Layed a hit on Priest like you wouldn't believe. Derrick Johnson also looks like he's on a mission to let everyone know he's not afraid of contact like the draftniks said.

Talked again about Gunther unleashed, about the fights, and about the defense's passion.

Finally he said there's going to be a couple of games where the defense and LJ have to carry this team.

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8/5 Update posted by htismaqe
Was asked about Priest's concussion. Said the defense has been unleashed by Gunther, tired of being picked on. In goal line drills (when Priest got hurt) the defense stuffed them EVERY time except...

When Larry Johnson carried the ball. He was just too strong and drug people into the end zone. Easily the offensive MVP of camp so far.

Was asked about the fighting and if it was desired. Said "NO QUESTION" emphatically. Said the intensity is way up, especially on defense, and it's been missing for far too long. Vermeil has asked Gunther to go balls to the wall this year, leave it all on the field.

Said Bo is silently having a good camp and that he separates himself easily from the other WR's because he's 1) 4 inches taller and 2) a key to our ST's.

That's about all I can remember.

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8/4 Update posted by jspchief
Talking LBs mostly.

Said he doesn't think Woods or Fujita make the team, barring a string of injuries at either position.

That's about it. Short interview. Told interesting story about hot Svitek got to America.

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8/3 Update posted by htismaqe
Anyway, he did clarify or expound on a couple of his statements from previous interviews:

1) We have to get off to a good start this year. Yesterday, it was about the assistants looking for other jobs. Today it was the danger that a poor start would cause everybody -- players, coaches, and fans -- knowing that this is Vermeil's last year, to start discussing who the next coach would be instead of worrying about this season. I think from the brew-ha-ha yesterday we had on the very subject, despite the fact that the season hasn't even started, shows that he's probably right.

2) Ferentz being mentioned as a HC candidate. Bob Stoops would be in there too.

The only thing of substance that he talked about was YET ANOTHER back injury, this time to Jason Dunn.

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8/2 Update posted by htismaqe
Dexter McCleon IS the starter opposite Surtain. Not only that but Sapp is the nickel. Ambrose and Washington are both quite a bit behind. (Interestingly enough, I heard DA say the same thing on 610 about 30 minutes later).

Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing.

He also said that Kirk Ferentz' name has been whispered around Arrowhead.

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8/1 Update posted by htismaqe
I heard most of the part about the coaches and what's going on there:

Vermeil and Peterson have told Saunders, no excuses get Larry Johnson on the field -- Holthus editorialized a bit, said LJ looks SUPERB so far in camp

Gunther and Saunders may have it out at some point during camp. There's been a few fights. Vermeil asked Gunther to tone it down a bit last year, but this year Vermeil has let him go back to being his old self. Saunders and Gunther have the giveaways/takeaways on a huge poster in the locker room and the defense right now is +8. Gunther rubs it in every chance he gets.

That's really the big stuff I heard him say. Mitchell's injury didn't sound serious, he was confident Shields would be fine (although he did say it was a little concerning), Wiegmann looks rejuvinated, and Priest looks like a "spring chicken".

TEX · 08-02-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

What was Shanahan's record without John Elway, regardless of where it was?

Exactly.

Okay. Point taken. Now I'll throw out another name - BILLICHICK. Wonder what would have happened if he wasn't given another chance after Cleveland?

Raiderhater · 08-02-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

For the sake of argument lets say DV is definitely gone next year.

Looking around the league I don't see any of the top 10 coaches getting fired or reaching the end of their contracts, so the idea of landing a big name who's already been a HC looks unlikely.

That means we'll hire:

A) A college coach.
B) An NFL coordinator
C) Promote a coach in-house.

Which of those three options looks the best to you?...

That would depend on who is available in all three catagories, wouldn't?

TEX · 08-02-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

When asked which QB both prefered, Gun said Grbac, Al said Gannon. That was some of it.

And who was right?

Mr. Laz · 08-02-2005, 01:37 PM

isn't Ferentz an Ioweenie?

that kinda sucks

heh

Brock · 08-02-2005, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

That means we'll hire:

A) A college coach.
B) An NFL coordinator
C) Promote a coach in-house.

Which of those three options looks the best to you?...

It will be both B and C.

htismaqe · 08-02-2005, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Okay. Point taken. Now I'll throw out another name - BILLICHICK. Wonder what would have happened if he wasn't given another chance after Cleveland?

For every one of your Bill Belichik's I can name 3 Chan Gailey's.

htismaqe · 08-02-2005, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

For the sake of argument lets say DV is definitely gone next year.

Looking around the league I don't see any of the top 10 coaches getting fired or reaching the end of their contracts, so the idea of landing a big name who's already been a HC looks unlikely.

That means we'll hire:

A) A college coach.
B) An NFL coordinator
C) Promote a coach in-house.

Which of those three options looks the best to you?...

Ultimately, I don't think Carl can resist the lure of once again trying to artificially recreate the Marty years.

I think our next head coach will likely be Herm Edwards or someone like him.

**BigRedChief** · 08-02-2005, 01:43 PM

What happend to Stoops as "the" college coach for the Chiefs?

I think Sanders has the job so its a moot point.

**the Talking Can** · 08-02-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Hiring a HC that wants to hire completely different players to implement his offense/defense would be idiotic.

A lot of the starters on our offense are old but there's also a lot of young depth. Green likely has 2, perhaps 3 years left in him. LJ will step in for Priest, and he's proven he can produce. Gonzo probably has 5 years left. If we can find a way to replace Roaf and Shields with quality starters our offense will still be top 5 in the league.

Our defense is young. All three of our starting LB's are young. Outside of hicks our whole defensive line is young. Knight and Surtain aren't spring chickens but we've got plenty of depth at S and our only real area of concern would be CB.

The only holes this team will have over the next 2 to 3 years will be Offensive line, CB, and WR...

I agree. We are actually in pretty good shape...much to my own surprise.

In the next 3 years we'll need a LT, a #1WR to replace Kennison, a young CB to replace Warfield, a DE to replace Hicks...and maybe, unfortunetly, a DT.

We also, of course, need a QBOTF or we'll have to roll the dice on another "Vet" like Green. Over 3 years that is all doable with smart drafts.

Bell and Surtain have 3+ years. DJ/Fujita/Fox have 3+ years. Wesley has 3+ years. LJ. Holcombe. Parker. Dante. Crap-ho. Wilson. Allen. Siavvi(??). Welbourne to replace Shields.

I realize CP doesn't like AS, but I hope AS gets the job. He isn't Vermeil. He is brilliant at using spare parts and scraps to whip the best defenses in the league. I'd like to keep that mind on our sideline. Gun can stay at DC and purge his shitty defensive coaches.

**Rausch** · 08-02-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

For every one of your Bill Belichik's I can name 3 Chan Gailey's.

The same can be said of 1st round QB's.

And I wonder if the Rams would make a move for Saunders this year if Martz continues to be an underachiever.

**the Talking Can** · 08-02-2005, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

our next head coach will likely be Herm Edwards or someone like him.

that would be a disaster...makes me sick to think about it

**Rausch** · 08-02-2005, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Ultimately, I don't think Carl can resist the lure of once again trying to artificially recreate the Marty years.

I think our next head coach will likely be Herm Edwards or someone like him.

I happen to like Herm Edwards.

But, we probably wouldn't be able to see eye to eye on a HC with a telescope...

TRR · 08-02-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I absolutely make sense.

Read your statement again, like this:

And the same amount of coordinators go on to be successful NFL Head Coaches. Start fresh? Why would you possibly want to give up arguably the best defensive mind in the NFL? Why would you want to start fresh? You even say he deserves to be a head coach, so why not KC? Cunningham will bring new dimensions to the table than Schottenheimer.

Wow. You have no point. Everyone knew Cunningham was a Shottenheimer clone. You really haven't done your research if you think Saunders wouldn't bring something new to the table. Saunders is more of an in your face coach than Vermeil ever was. Saunders has taken the "Rams" offense, and tailor fitted it to KC's strength's. If you don't think Saunders can adapt, and bring something new, then your warped. Go to a Training Camp once and tell me Saunders is anything like Vermeil on the practice field.

htismaqe · 08-02-2005, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Over 3 years that is all doable with smart drafts.

Which basically means the Chiefs are screwed. Unless Carl Peterson gets hit by a bus.

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Bell and Surtain have 3+ years. DJ/Fujita/Fox have 3+ years. Wesley has 3+ years. LJ. Holcombe. Parker. Dante. Crap-ho. Wilson. Allen. Siavvi(??). Welbourne to replace Shields.

Bell may or may not be constantly injured. Holcombe is 30. Welbourn's knee injury has turned out to hobble him quite a bit worse than they thought.

And then you have Fox, Parker, Craphonso, Wilson, and Siavii, all of which are AT BEST unproven and at worst busts.

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I realize CP doesn't like AS, but I hope AS gets the job. He isn't Vermeil. He is brilliant at using spare parts and scraps to whip the best defenses in the league. I'd like to keep that mind on our sideline. Gun can stay at DC and purge his shitty defensive coaches.

Yes he is. So was Mike Martz. Or Brian Billick. Or Norv Turner. I realize it's not a popular position, but I've seen plenty from Saunders that suggest (to me) that he's SO GOOD at offense, that he wouldn't be able to see the forest through the trees as a head coach.

htismaqe · 08-02-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Wow. You have no point. Everyone knew Cunningham was a Shottenheimer clone. You really haven't done your research if you think Saunders wouldn't bring something new to the table. Saunders is more of an in your face coach than Vermeil ever was. Saunders has taken the "Rams" offense, and tailor fitted it to KC's strength's. If you don't think Saunders can adapt, and bring something new, then your warped. Go to a Training Camp once and tell me Saunders is anything like Vermeil on the practice field.

Just because you can't understand it, doesn't mean I don't have a point. Trying to suggest I haven't done my "research" says exactly where you stand.

08-01-2005, 07:23 AM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8099900	Holthus on Des Moines radio...only caught part of it... 8/18 Update posted by htismaqe Hinted (like he hinted Monday about Tynes' arrest) that Todd Collins was in trouble. More to come later today from the St. Paul Pioneer Press. Vermeil appeared to have Tynes' back, but he was visibly upset with the kicker at other times. Still thinks competition will be brought in. Surtain has been the star of camp. Said even though the guy is a top NFL CB, he approached camp like he was fighting for the 53rd spot on the roster. Great player and great example. Derrick Johnson is legit and has the chance to be up there with DT, Lanier, and Bell. On the offensive side, talked alot about LJ and the o-line, and how stellar Roaf and Waters have been. ------------------------------- 8/16 Update posted by jspchief Talked about Gunther on the rampage. Morning practice, he tore Grigsby a new asshole for mistakes lining up. Afternoon practice, he told Alphonso Hodge that he can find 100,000 people to do the job as good as he is, and that he fired the last player that played like that. Apparently Hodge talked back to him at that point, which can't be good for your lifespan. Coaches that win a superbowl with one team have never won one with the next team. Vermeil is frustrated with all the man hours missed. Is tired of guys sitting out for every little nick. Some scrub from ISU quit the team. Talked a bit about Bell, but didn't say anything that hasn't been in the other threads. Practicing in pads, but not hitting. ------------------------------- 8/15 Update posted by htismaqe The news is not good boys. The Chiefs gave up 8 plays over 15 yards. Gunther is beyond furious, Mitch said he was "beside himself". Jared Allen has been demoted, Jimmy Wilkerson is now starting. Kevin Sampson has a toe tendon problem, out 2-3 weeks. Todd Collins has a possible fracture, out 2-3 weeks. Holcombe will be out 6 weeks. He said Lawrence Tynes had a bad weekend "on and off the field". When asked to elaborate about the "off the field" comment, he hemmed and hawed and never did answer. Tynes must have gotten drunk too. Anyway, he said there will likely be competition brought into camp. The good news is that Tynes didn't miss a kick yesterday. Will Shields participated in workouts and could see full practice later this week, so that's at least one good thing. ------------------------------- 8/12 Update posted by htismaqe Talked about the game. Starters will play slightly more than 1 quarter, except for Priest, LJ, Green, Gonzo. They will likely play only a couple of series'. Shields won't play. Bell won't play. Dunn is out. ------------------------------- 8/11 Update posted by htismaqe Not much today. Priest and Tony were "dancing like spring chickens" last night so that was good news. Talked mostly about the defense and the need to create turnovers. Forget yards, the defense last year had only 21 takeaways (franchise record) and 85 plays of longer than 20 yards (NFL average is 55). ------------------------------- 8/10 Update posted by htismaqe Talked about the WR's. Said, after Kennison, there isn't anybody that stands out. They're all the same. Talked a bit about Booth and McIntyre and their stints in NFLE. Said Freddie is still out, he tried to talk to him last night and Freddie just kinda grumbled and groaned and kept walking. Said that everybody at the position (WR) could be a 1-2 catch guy to compliment Holmes, Gonzo, and WILSON. Yes, he mentioned Wilson in the same breath as Holmes and Gonzales. Said the team will likely keep only 5 maybe 6 WR's. He said the team is much healthier already. Both Priest and Gonzo were back last night and looking better. Not sure about LJ. ------------------------------- 8/9 Update posted by htismaqe Concerned about special teams because of loss of Blaylock and Beisel. Said Boomer or Scanlon is going to have to step up. The good news is that Benny Sapp is turning into a monster on special teams. Also concerned about reps on Friday vs. the Vikings. Gonzo is better, wasn't limping much last night, but he won't play. Dunn won't play. Priest probably won't play. Larry Johnson is now dinged up, minor, but might not play. ------------------------------- 8/8 Update posted by htismaqe Very concerned about Tony's foot. He was limping pretty bad all weekend. Seemed concerned about Jason Dunn too. Greg Wesley looks like he's out to prove that he's still a hitter. Layed a hit on Priest like you wouldn't believe. Derrick Johnson also looks like he's on a mission to let everyone know he's not afraid of contact like the draftniks said. Talked again about Gunther unleashed, about the fights, and about the defense's passion. Finally he said there's going to be a couple of games where the defense and LJ have to carry this team. ------------------------------- 8/5 Update posted by htismaqe Was asked about Priest's concussion. Said the defense has been unleashed by Gunther, tired of being picked on. In goal line drills (when Priest got hurt) the defense stuffed them EVERY time except... When Larry Johnson carried the ball. He was just too strong and drug people into the end zone. Easily the offensive MVP of camp so far. Was asked about the fighting and if it was desired. Said "NO QUESTION" emphatically. Said the intensity is way up, especially on defense, and it's been missing for far too long. Vermeil has asked Gunther to go balls to the wall this year, leave it all on the field. Said Bo is silently having a good camp and that he separates himself easily from the other WR's because he's 1) 4 inches taller and 2) a key to our ST's. That's about all I can remember. ------------------------------- 8/4 Update posted by jspchief Talking LBs mostly. Said he doesn't think Woods or Fujita make the team, barring a string of injuries at either position. That's about it. Short interview. Told interesting story about hot Svitek got to America. ------------------------------- 8/3 Update posted by htismaqe Anyway, he did clarify or expound on a couple of his statements from previous interviews: 1) We have to get off to a good start this year. Yesterday, it was about the assistants looking for other jobs. Today it was the danger that a poor start would cause everybody -- players, coaches, and fans -- knowing that this is Vermeil's last year, to start discussing who the next coach would be instead of worrying about this season. I think from the brew-ha-ha yesterday we had on the very subject, despite the fact that the season hasn't even started, shows that he's probably right. 2) Ferentz being mentioned as a HC candidate. Bob Stoops would be in there too. The only thing of substance that he talked about was YET ANOTHER back injury, this time to Jason Dunn. ------------------------------- 8/2 Update posted by htismaqe Dexter McCleon IS the starter opposite Surtain. Not only that but Sapp is the nickel. Ambrose and Washington are both quite a bit behind. (Interestingly enough, I heard DA say the same thing on 610 about 30 minutes later). Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing. He also said that Kirk Ferentz' name has been whispered around Arrowhead. ------------------------------- 8/1 Update posted by htismaqe I heard most of the part about the coaches and what's going on there: Vermeil and Peterson have told Saunders, no excuses get Larry Johnson on the field -- Holthus editorialized a bit, said LJ looks SUPERB so far in camp Gunther and Saunders may have it out at some point during camp. There's been a few fights. Vermeil asked Gunther to tone it down a bit last year, but this year Vermeil has let him go back to being his old self. Saunders and Gunther have the giveaways/takeaways on a huge poster in the locker room and the defense right now is +8. Gunther rubs it in every chance he gets. That's really the big stuff I heard him say. Mitchell's injury didn't sound serious, he was confident Shields would be fine (although he did say it was a little concerning), Wiegmann looks rejuvinated, and Priest looks like a "spring chicken". 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