NFL Draft If JA is traded...Gholston is our pick at 5 - Page 10

CanadaKC · 04-21-2008, 10:25 PM

I can't see Jake Long dropping to us...Dorsey and Chris Long will be gone...all the other OT's are a reach with this pick...Edwards is apparantly in love with the guy...I can see it coming...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I don't have any tape to form my own opinion on. I watch a lot of college football to. But Ohio State is not one of the teams I enjoy watching, so I usually watch another game instead. And I am cool with you OTW58.

This guy looks pretty crappy in pursuit to me. And it looks like he sucks against the run:

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JBucc

I think Gholston would be great as a 3-4 pass rusher where he could bull rush the QB, run downhill. But I haven't seen many moves from him to think he'll be a great 4-3 DE. When I watch him he's very stiff and just relies completely on his speed to run by someone, no spins, no rips or sidesteps. Doesn't use his hands very well. He's not a Dwight Freeney or Osi Umenyiora type player with a good set of moves to get by someone to go along with speed.

Do you think that Osi Umenyiora came out of Troy with a complete arsenal of pass-rushing moves??

Gholston also has freakish strength, he's not just an around the edge rusher.

There is not one single player in this draft who is a complete product. At some point you have to trust your own coaches to develop a player and maximize his abilities. It doesn't matter whether it's a QB, WR, or DE.

If I gave you someone with the athletic tools of Gholston or Chris Long and you were a D-Line coach, you'd have to think that most of them would salivate to get the attempt to develop an athletic talent like Gholston.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-24-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bkkcoh

Being in the Columbus area, O$U was on the tube every game (have Direct TV) and Gholston did hide at times in games....

Well what do you know.

So did Jared Allen, yet everyone thinks he's the greatest ****ing player to ever wear a pair of cleats.

I'd be willing to bet that if you had tape of each of Chris Long's games, there would be some that he was gameplanned for and didn't have a great game, or just flat out had a down game.

It happens.

Some of you guys are acting like he's a lazy ass Ryan Sims type.

bkkcoh · 04-24-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

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There is not one single player in this draft who is a complete product. At some point you have to trust your own coaches to develop a player and maximize his abilities. It doesn't matter whether it's a QB, WR, or DE.

...

And with the Chief's braintrust, we should be able to trust them. Granted with the exception of the drafting of the kicker last year, the last 2 years have been a little better results then previous years.

Not sure as to if it is Herm's influence or what, but for some reason, overall the drafting has been getting better.

Chiefnj2 · 04-24-2008, 11:54 AM

ESPN insider:
"It can get frustrating studying Gholston on film because he's inconsistent. There are times when he is flat-out dominant and there are other times that he will disappear."

Dan Pompei:
"The only problem with Gholston is inconsistency, and for that reason he is a risky pick."

bkkcoh · 04-24-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Well what do you know.

So did Jared Allen, yet everyone thinks he's the greatest ****ing player to ever wear a pair of cleats.

I'd be willing to bet that if you had tape of each of Chris Long's games, there would be some that he was gameplanned for and didn't have a great game, or just flat out had a down game.

It happens.

Some of you guys are acting like he's a lazy ass Ryan Sims type.

IMHO and that is all it is. GEESH

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bkkcoh

And with the Chief's braintrust, we should be able to trust them. Granted with the exception of the drafting of the kicker last year, the last 2 years have been a little better results then previous years.

Not sure as to if it is Herm's influence or what, but for some reason, overall the drafting has been getting better.

Yeah, but before we start sucking each other's dicks we should always remember that >Bad does not = Good.

Coogs · 04-24-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

ESPN insider:
"It can get frustrating studying Gholston on film because he's inconsistent. There are times when he is flat-out dominant and there are other times that he will disappear."

Dan Pompei:
"The only problem with Gholston is inconsistency, and for that reason he is a risky pick."

Brace yourself!

bkkcoh · 04-24-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Brace yourself!

No doubt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, but before we start sucking each other's dicks we should always remember that >Bad does not = Good.

Agreed

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

ESPN insider:
"It can get frustrating studying Gholston on film because he's inconsistent. There are times when he is flat-out dominant and there are other times that he will disappear."

Dan Pompei:
"The only problem with Gholston is inconsistency, and for that reason he is a risky pick."

Inconsistency does not = laziness. Hate to break it to you, but even Bruce Smith had stretches of games where he wasn't heard from, and so did Derrick Thomas.

Before Gholston played football, he wanted to be a professional bodybuilder (I know, shocker). I think that says a lot about the guy. Juice or not, bodybuilding is an activity that requires a ridiculous amount of work ethic and dedication. He's not some guy who was just born a football player--he's a very hard worker and the scouts back that up. If you have a guy that is a genetic freak and a hard worker, you have dynamite on your hands.

I just want to know why a guy who had 0 sacks in the 4th quarter and no sacks in over 1/3 of his games is all of a sudden a gold standard.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-24-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bkkcoh

IMHO and that is all it is. GEESH

I'm not knocking you, per se.

I'm making a point. People are looking to nitpick the **** out of these guys. They are Top 5 picks for a reason, yet some of these draft monkeys make it out like he's undraftable.

Jared Allen, though no one has the stones to admit it, disappeared in the 3rd/4th quarter of games.

Dwight Freeney gets a huge payday, and his production falls off.

It happens to so-called "elite" players that have been in the NFL for years, yet this kid is getting crucified over it?

Not to mention, you've got scouts/writers saying that his motor is his biggest asset, and others saying it's his biggest weakness.

Sure-Oz · 04-24-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not knocking you, per se.

I'm making a point. People are looking to nitpick the **** out of these guys. They are Top 5 picks for a reason, yet some of these draft monkeys make it out like he's undraftable.

Jared Allen, though no one has the stones to admit it, disappeared in the 3rd/4th quarter of games.

Dwight Freeney gets a huge payday, and his production falls off.

It happens to so-called "elite" players that have been in the NFL for years, yet this kid is getting crucified over it?

Not to mention, you've got scouts/writers saying that his motor is his biggest asset, and others saying it's his biggest weakness.

Allen had zero sacks in the 4th qtr last year, that struck me as a "wtf?"

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-24-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Allen had zero sacks in the 4th qtr last year, that struck me as a "wtf?"

And if memory serves correct, he only had either 1.5 or 2.5 in the third quarter.

Most of our games were close going into the 4th, so the "well, teams just ran on us" argument goes right out the window.

El Jefe · 04-24-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not knocking you, per se.

I'm making a point. People are looking to nitpick the **** out of these guys. They are Top 5 picks for a reason, yet some of these draft monkeys make it out like he's undraftable.

Jared Allen, though no one has the stones to admit it, disappeared in the 3rd/4th quarter of games.

Dwight Freeney gets a huge payday, and his production falls off.

It happens to so-called "elite" players that have been in the NFL for years, yet this kid is getting crucified over it?

Not to mention, you've got scouts/writers saying that his motor is his biggest asset, and others saying it's his biggest weakness.

QFT. bkkcoh, seems as if Im not the only one who doesn't agree with you eh?

Sure-Oz · 04-24-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And if memory serves correct, he only had either 1.5 or 2.5 in the third quarter.

Most of our games were close going into the 4th, so the "well, teams just ran on us" argument goes right out the window.

sounds right...if i recall counting sacks from him last year in the 1st half just off the top of my head i thought he had around 9 or 10

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