Biggest 10 needs in '09

[Mr. Laz]

1. RDE (no pass rush whatsoever)
2. RT (McIntsuck gives it up at least 3/4 times every game)
3. MLB (wanna buy someone who can tackle!!)
4. LDE (Hali should be a backup)
5. OLB (wanna buy someone who can tackle)
6. QB (thiggy looks good but ....... )
7. Center (Niswanger just can't seem to get any push at all)
8. CB (Flowers is hasty,Carr is a viable nickle, we need an athletic #1 guy)
9. Safety (Morgan? McGraw? geesh ... we need a stud back there)
10. RG/DT a tie ... we still need more talent in our interior lines


opinions?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If we ****ing pick someone because he's BPA, even though we don't have an immediate need for him, I'll be pissed too. Remember when we drafted Larry Johnson because he was BPA? Did you ever stop to think what this team could have been like if we instead went for Nick Barnett? LJ sat the bench for several years on a team that might have been one player away from a Super Bowl run.

Drafting a LT would essentially be legitimizing spending a #17 pick on a guard, and moving a productive left tackle out of position. Drafting a QB outside of Stafford is settling for a pick. Drafting a WR like Crabtree on a team that has 2 receivers playing very good football is something Matt Millen would do.

The only players I can justify sticking around for are Stafford and Orakpo, unless someone makes a huge leap, which is doubtful. Stafford will be gone and we're making a huge assumption that Orakpo will grade as a top 3 calibre DE--I still have doubts as to whether he is.

Otherwise, you're reaching. I would rather reach for a player we need, then stick around for someone we don't need or for someone that's going to push a productive player to the bench. And I would rather trade down and draft the guy we want at the right spot and get extra picks on the side than reach.

#1) I don't want any QB in this draft outside of Stafford before round 5.
#2) We spent a #15 pick on Albert, not 17.
#3) LJ was a Carl pick. If you are really pissed about that pick, you should be pissed that we traded down and took LJ instead of picking Polamalu at 16. Furthermore, assuming that Priest was "busted", and it was a fair assumption, that would have been an even better pick.
#4) I've never argued for drafting Crabtree in the top 5, let alone the top 10. I don't even like him as much as DHB.
#5) You don't reach in the top five.
#6)You don't ****ing reach period.
#7)Trading down to get the guy you want is never a guarantee, the '07 draft should have taught you that with what the Browns did to us twice.
#8) The 2004 draft: We trade down to get the guy we want, Olshansky. He goes one pick before us. So what do we do? We reach to pick a guy we need, a run stuffing DT...Junior cock****ing Siavii.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think the only other top players are left tackles and WRs. Maybe a CB or two slips in there and Orakpo.

None of these positions are places where we would get the difference-making you would want out of a top 10 pick.

I will vomit if the Chiefs use a top 5 pick on a left tackle.

Um I don't see any top 5 WR's this year...there might be a top 5 safety though...

If Michael Oher is far and away the best player on the board then you have to take him, there are worse things than have a guy who'll play for 15 years as a top flight player.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by bowener

I fully agree with you, especially when we are sitting on top of damn near $50 million in cap room to go out and get young stars to fill some of the holes we need.

If I were us, I'd target one guy, throw some decent money at him, and call it a night in FA. The only other guys we should target would be DeMorrio Williams type guys who are cheap and effective backups, and not pieces of rat shit who just got off a 4-11 at Hy-Vee pushing carts.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I like his argument of there's only 2 players in the top 5 the Chiefs can use and 1 of them he isn't even sure about.

You'd think our team was great.

I didn't say there were only 2 players the Chiefs can use.

But if you're going to use a first round pick, it needs to be someone who's going to add a lot of value to your team.

Michael Oher would add value to the Chiefs. But not much more so than Branden Albert does.

Maualuga and Laurinitis provide the Chiefs with long-term value, and a lot more so than Pat Thomas would.

I have never said that things won't change. If there's a really good player at DE, QB, DT, LB, or Safety... arguably at CB, that you think indisputably belongs in the top 3, then yes, you pull the trigger.

But settling for BPA because you're afraid to reach is just silly. The top 10 has talent no matter where you draft, and it can't be purely BPA. It has to be a blend of BPA and need. When you get past the first round, it's purely BPA.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The top 10 has talent no matter where you draft, and it can't be purely BPA. It has to be a blend of BPA and need. .

I agree with you here, but I will say that you have to competently evaluate and dance the tightrope here, otherwise you say "Well shit, Joe Thomas is gone, we need a tackle, we've got the #5 pick and Levi Brown is the #2 tackle...Brown it is!!"

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If I were us, I'd target one guy, throw some decent money at him, and call it a night in FA. The only other guys we should target would be DeMorrio Williams type guys who are cheap and effective backups, and not pieces of rat shit who just got off a 4-11 at Hy-Vee pushing carts.

I would put all my money on Carolina.

Jordan Gross and Julius Peppers. I will be pissed if the Chiefs don't make a serious run at these guys.

Peppers may be 28, but I truly believe he has the ability to play till 35, like Strahan.

[Mecca]

Why would the number 1 player in FA sign with the Chiefs?

You know the guy has to want to play for your team.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I would put all my money on Carolina.

Jordan Gross and Julius Peppers. I will be pissed if the Chiefs don't make a serious run at these guys.

Peppers may be 28, but I truly believe he has the ability to play till 35, like Strahan.

Don't throw money at 28 year old guys who disappeared for almost two years before they entered their contract year.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I agree with you here, but I will say that you have to competently evaluate and dance the tightrope here, otherwise you say "Well shit, Joe Thomas is gone, we need a tackle, we've got the #5 pick and Levi Brown is the #2 tackle...Brown it is!!"

No, it can't be a gut panic reflex.

I've always believed that in the top 10, you build a board of players you badly want and you take out players who you don't necessarily need (like Oher or Crabtree).

You take the top on your specific board. If the top of your board is a reach, consider a trade down. But only if you are confident that he'll still be there or you have another guy that you think will be there as insurance.

I truly believe that with the talent at LT on the top of the board, the Chiefs can trade out of their spot and get a really nice pick in exchange. At the very least, they need to entertain offers. I understand that it's not easy to trade down, but I hope they'll at least try.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Don't throw money at 28 year old guys who disappeared for almost two years before they entered their contract year.

That's the risk you have to take.

Unfortunately, in a world where it's easier to find cap space, you're never going to find a surefire guy. You either have to settle for a guy like Peppers who may have been playing for a contract or an average player like Hadnot or Hartwig who was cut because his team no longer wanted him. Rare is there an elite free agent who doesn't carry a question mark or two.

But I think Peppers' long-term resume speaks for itself. I wouldn't say he took two years off. He had 13 sacks in 2005.

[Basileus777]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's the risk you have to take.

Unfortunately, in a world where it's easier to find cap space, you're never going to find a surefire guy. You either have to settle for a guy like Peppers who may have been playing for a contract or an average player like Hadnot or Hartwig who was cut because his team no longer wanted him. Rare is there an elite free agent who doesn't carry a question mark or two.

But I think Peppers' long-term resume speaks for itself. I wouldn't say he took two years off. He had 13 sacks in 2005.

Peppers was leading the league in sacks halfway through that season and then completely disappeared the second half of that season.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's the risk you have to take.

No, it's not.

Guys like Julius Peppers don't get free unless they've got some pretty big ?s. You are making a huge investment for a player who is probably only going to be able to give you 2-3 years of peak play...and that's if he doesn't turn into a lazy **** once he gets paid again.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And by the way, the right side of the line may not be great, but Thigpen has only been sacked 2 times before today. I don't remember how many times he was sacked today. That's not bad for an offensive line that you claim is a complete disaster.

The offensive line is the worst part of the team. Thigpen doesn't get sacked that often because teams know he will bolt down the field. They feel more confident in coverage. I didn't see the game because it wasn't on TV, but Dawson was saying the whole game that our receivers were not getting separation.
The telling part of our o-line is that we had a ton of sacks before we switched to the spread, and still cannot run the ball.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by whoman69

The offensive line is the worst part of the team. Thigpen doesn't get sacked that often because teams know he will bolt down the field. They feel more confident in coverage. I didn't see the game because it wasn't on TV, but Dawson was saying the whole game that our receivers were not getting separation.
The telling part of our o-line is that we had a ton of sacks before we switched to the spread, and still cannot run the ball.

Eh, the right side of the O-Line is one of the worst part on this team, but it's not as bad as the whole D-Line or LB's are. I mean, six sacks for this season.

How pathetic is that?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Coach

Eh, the right side of the O-Line is one of the worst part on this team, but it's not as bad as the whole D-Line or LB's are. I mean, six sacks for this season.

How pathetic is that?