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Old 03-01-2009, 03:36 PM  
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Bills | Interested in acquiring Waters
Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:04:25 -0800

Pat Moran, of Scout.com, reports the Buffalo Bills are interested in trading for Kansas City Chiefs OG Brian Waters, according to source.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:12 PM   #136
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I have no idea how the Waters deal will eventually work out, but I can promise you this; by the time training camp rolls around, anyone who isn't fully committed to giving 100% to this team will either be gone or benched - regardless of how many pro bowls they've attended or kittens they've rescued from a fire.

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But Waters is pretty much like Gonzo out on the field. Nothing less than a true professional. Theres no way he plays like trash just because he doesnt like management.
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:13 PM   #137
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No it doesn't.

Good guards can be found in the 4th round or later.
Well, he's not just 'good', he played in the pro bowl 4 of the last 5 years
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:14 PM   #138
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Two all Pro's for that??

2 1st rounders more like it.
I've always said this Half.
I think you're a pretty good guy.

But unfortunately, I also think you're an idiot.
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:16 PM   #139
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Well, he's not just 'good', he played in the pro bowl 4 of the last 5 years
Regardless of his past performance, I would not give up a 3rd round or higher for a guy that doens't have many games left.
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:19 PM   #140
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I've always said this Half.
I think you're a pretty good guy.

But unfortunately, I also think you're an idiot.
I was being sarcastic- but at least one 1st would be in order for 2 current All Pros with a few miles left.

Would you be happy if the Chiefs traded their #1 and got a HOF TE and an All Pro linemen to boot??
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:20 PM   #141
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Well, he's not just 'good', he played in the pro bowl 4 of the last 5 years
nobody doubts hes good.

Guard just isnt a core/valued position in the NFL.

The difference between a pro-bowl guard and an average NFL guard is mostly negligible IMO.
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Regardless of his past performance, I would not give up a 3rd round or higher for a guy that doens't have many games left.
You were also against the Cassel trade.
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:32 PM   #143
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Waters wants out now, get his feeling hurt TH/F when coaches were "Busy" getting a deal and couldn't talk. WTF, I thought Brian was better than to go down this road.
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I was being sarcastic- but at least one 1st would be in order for 2 current All Pros with a few miles left.

Would you be happy if the Chiefs traded their #1 and got a HOF TE and an All Pro linemen to boot??
I would be going full ape shit "Fall Down" style if we traded the #3 overall pick and received two players over 30, a TE and a guard, no less.
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:41 PM   #145
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Waters wants out now, get his feeling hurt TH/F when coaches were "Busy" getting a deal and couldn't talk. WTF, I thought Brian was better than to go down this road.
More than anything he wasnt, All his whining about Herm and his butthurt....


Pack up whiney boy...
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:44 PM   #146
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I've always been a fan of Waters. I think he's a good player and a great person. But, let's be honest, he hasn't exactly been great since Roaf has been gone. As for being a pro bowler I mean, c'mon, if you're an O-lineman and you make a pro bowl then it becomes all about name recognition as far as getting back there. I'm not saying he's not a good player but I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if we traded him.
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I don't want to see Waters go (and I hope he and Pioli work it out), but the team won't fall apart if they trade him.

Decent ESPN short on the recent "over-paying" of guards in the NFL:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation...ee-agency.html
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Old 03-01-2009, 10:02 PM   #148
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So if we move Waters, do we grab Monroe and slide Albert to LG?

I'd be curious to know if Brian still wants to be traded today. I mean, if you were Pioli or Haley and had to decide whether or not to say: "Hey Brian, sorry about the other day, we had a big deal going down and didn't mean any disrespect. What's on your mind?"

Would that be "giving in" or just enough to calm his cranky ass down?
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Old 03-01-2009, 10:16 PM   #149
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I can see what you're trying to say here, however, if he's not a happycamper and doesn't want to be here as some reports indicate, what else can you really do?

He's upset right now, but he'll get over it. Think about it, if NFL teams let a player go everytime they got mad at the team, half the players in the NFL would be let go every season.

What choice does he have? He's signed to several more years here in KC, he can either sit out the duration of his contract or play and get over it.
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None of the players the Chiefs would attempt to get rid of are remotely worth a 2, you might be able to bait some team into a 3 but with Buffalo picking at the front end of the rounds I seriously doubt you'd get more than a 4.

I think it's time for Waters to go, guards are easily replaceable, he's a mouthpiece from the past regime and obviously is not the kind of player this organization wants now going and whining to Whitlock and all.
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