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Old 10-19-2009, 01:37 PM  
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Florio: Haley threatened to trade Bowe during Redskins game
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Trade threat turned the light on for Dwayne Bowe
Posted by Mike Florio on October 19, 2009 3:05 PM ET

As pointed out in the Chiefs-Redskins portion our Morning Aftermath, Kansas City receiver Dwayne Bowe caught six passes for 109 yards. It was his best output of the season.

Bowe's performance came at a time when rumors are rampant that he (and pretty much any other Chiefs player not named "Matt Cassel") is available as the trade deadline looms.

So was he motivated by the rumors? As it turns out, no.

Bowe was motivated by a specific threat, from coach Todd Haley.

Per a league source, Haley tore into Bowe early in Sunday's win over the Redskins, urging Bowe to pick up his game and threatening to trade Bowe if he didn't.

Though some might have seen it as a chance to get over the wall and head to a contending team, the exchange seemed to light a fire under Bowe.

So we suppose it would be fitting if the performance prompts a team like the Dolphins or Ravens to make the Chiefs an offer for Bowe that G.M. Scott Pioli accepts.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:07 PM   #136
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You're right. A tactic used to get the best out of a player truly shows what a joke he is and how little he knows. Haley should be fired today.
I can't believe some of the idiotic things chief fans say on this board. Nobody knows if it really happened or what context it might have been said. That said, why so much drama over a coach that has a low tolerance for lack of concentration, poor execution, and lax play?

It's amazing how sensitive some people are about this topic. We finally have a real football coach who holds his players accountable and all the fans want to do is cry about it. Maybe we should ask Herm to come back so nobody's feelings are hurt. The media and the fans are being bigger pussies about this than the players are.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:07 PM   #137
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I'd love to know.

Just odd that the only playmaker we have on offense gets read the riot act, even though he's giving a great effort, while guys like Goff and Niswanger go through the ****ing motions, and still have their jobs.

Is Dwayne making mistakes? Absolutely.

Is it due to a lack of effort, like others on the roster? Not a chance, IMO.
Because as soon as he can get guys to replace those guys he will. He doesn't see guys like goff and Niswanger as part of a GREAT TEAM. Therefore he'll deal with the hand he has been dealt with those guys right now and upgrade them when he can.

You ever notice he only talks about the good players on the team for the most part, yet those same players he seems to criticize the most? Albert, Bowe, Flowers, Dorsey etc? Why? Because those are the guys that he will build the team around, yet at the same time he needs for them to rise to even greater levels. As a coach you ride your best players the hardest. The guys you know don't have "it" you make due with them. Bowe probably has the highest ceiling of anyone on the team besides Flowers, so those two guys will get ridden the hardest. Since Flowers seems to be living up to his part he hasn't caught the full force of it. Once bowe starts he'll stop riding his ass so hard.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:08 PM   #138
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:09 PM   #139
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We'd find out when Goff was benched like Bowe was early in the season, wouldn't we, Mr. FAX?
Maybe. Then again, maybe not. I'm not sure anyone would really care enough to write the story. After all, Goff is a journeyman ... not a potential Pro-Bowler.

Still, you may be right. The Olathe paper did report that, after Waters was threatened with a contract extension, his play did improve somewhat.

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Old 10-19-2009, 03:09 PM   #140
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Yup, pretty much.

The Chiefs only have a handful of bona-fide quality players. Bowe apparently is the one Haley thinks has the most untapped potential that's getting sidelined by his attitude, be it lazy, crappy, childish, whatever. A sign of a good coach is knowing how to treat players according to how they need to be treated. Haley knows that what works with a vet like Vrabel wouldn't work on Bowe and vice versa. It's a lesson Haley seems to know after only six games, yet Mangini still hasn't learned.

Haley. Is. Not. The. Problem.
Who said he was the problem?

I'm just not a fan of riding Bowe's ass, while giving others a pass for horrendous play.

I've said numerous times that Haley, while not a choice I would have made, is growing on me.

However, I don't see the benefit in making a comment like that, to a player that is giving his all while others aren't, in the middle of a game, no less.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:10 PM   #141
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I'd love to know.

Just odd that the only playmaker we have on offense gets read the riot act, even though he's giving a great effort, while guys like Goff and Niswanger go through the ****ing motions, and still have their jobs.

Is Dwayne making mistakes? Absolutely.

Is it due to a lack of effort, like others on the roster? Not a chance, IMO.
Very very true.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:10 PM   #142
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I'm not wound up at all.

And I'm not even against him being a hard-ass, but I do have a problem with him making that childish of a comment in game, and not keeping a level playing field. Guys like Bowe and DJ are getting singled out, while Goff, Niswanger, Brown, etc get a pass, and keep their jobs.
I think he isn't going to waste his breath, time or effort on the likes of Goff Niswanger or Brown......they are stop gaps this year, they will be gone. He intends to mold Bowe to be as great as he can because he wants to keep him.

I don't believe 1/3 of the drivil that comes from these reports.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:11 PM   #143
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Because as soon as he can get guys to replace those guys he will. He doesn't see guys like goff and Niswanger as part of a GREAT TEAM. Therefore he'll deal with the hand he has been dealt with those guys right now and upgrade them when he can.

You ever notice he only talks about the good players on the team for the most part, yet those same players he seems to criticize the most? Albert, Bowe, Flowers, Dorsey etc? Why? Because those are the guys that he will build the team around, yet at the same time he needs for them to rise to even greater levels. As a coach you ride your best players the hardest. The guys you know don't have "it" you make due with them. Bowe probably has the highest ceiling of anyone on the team besides Flowers, so those two guys will get ridden the hardest. Since Flowers seems to be living up to his part he hasn't caught the full force of it. Once bowe starts he'll stop riding his ass so hard.
I think that is spot on
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Who said he was the problem?

I'm just not a fan of riding Bowe's ass, while giving others a pass for horrendous play.

I've said numerous times that Haley, while not a choice I would have made, is growing on me.

However, I don't see the benefit in making a comment like that, to a player that is giving his all while others aren't, in the middle of a game, no less.
How do you know those guys aren't giving their all? That's just silly to say.

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Yeah for real why does Dwayne Bowe receive the heat when he is heads and shoulders better then anyone we have on offense talentwise?

Shouldn't Haley be on Goff and Niswanger, heck even Cassel should be getting some heat for the way he is playing. It just doesn't make any sense. I can't grasp what he is doing.
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Who said he was the problem?

I'm just not a fan of riding Bowe's ass, while giving others a pass for horrendous play.

I've said numerous times that Haley, while not a choice I would have made, is growing on me.

However, I don't see the benefit in making a comment like that, to a player that is giving his all while others aren't, in the middle of a game, no less.
Again, you're making assumptions. Unless you're a player on the sidelines or are part of the Chiefs organization... It's obviously clear that Haley doesn't think Bowe is "giving his all" yet. He's trying to get "all" from Bowe. Or, otherwise, what are you saying? That Haley somehow hates Bowe and is being unfairly hard on him for no reason? That would make absolutely no sense, and I'm pretty sure it's not something that would go unnoticed by Pioli or the other 52 players.
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I think he isn't going to waste his breath, time or effort on the likes of Goff Niswanger or Brown......they are stop gaps this year, they will be gone. He intends to mold Bowe to be as great as he can because he wants to keep him.

I don't believe 1/3 of the drivil that comes from these reports.
Would it not be a benefit to the TEAM to make an effort with the worst unit (OL) on the roster?

If ANYONE needs to understand that their job isn't safe from week to week, it the OL.

You can throw Brown in that category too.

If these "threats" are the motivating factor some of you claim they are, how about lighting a fire under the asses of the slackers?
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Yeah for real why does Dwayne Bowe receive the heat when he is heads and shoulders better then anyone we have on offense talentwise?

Shouldn't Haley be on Goff and Niswanger, heck even Cassel should be getting some heat for the way he is playing. It just doesn't make any sense. I can't grasp what he is doing.
Probably because you're not a professional football coach? I'm just sayin...
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Probably because you're not a professional football coach? I'm just sayin...
So then why do Niswanger and Goff get a pass?
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