Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock - Page 10

Saccopoo · 09:12 PM

1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs.
- Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him.

Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen).

2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs.
- Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round.

3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs.
- Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards.

4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs.
- With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup.

5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs.
- With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football.

6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs.
- With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety.

7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs.
- Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011.

Ebolapox · 01-17-2012, 09:25 PM

no way reynolds is a second rounder. he's lucky if he's a 3rd or 4th rounder. jmo.

Saccopoo · 01-17-2012, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

no way reynolds is a second rounder. he's lucky if he's a 3rd or 4th rounder. jmo.

People were saying the same thing about Zane Beadles two years ago. Fourth rounder, etc. He went in the second round and made the NFL All-Rookie team and was a major reason why Denver's ground game was so good this past season.

Like Beadles, he doesn't look the part of the long, lean NFL left tackle (thick base and middle), but he is a very good player with a ton of experience at the left tackle spot. BYU ran a ton behind him as well as him being blind side protector for four consectutive years. He's a smart guy and a team leader (two time team captain) as well as having played at a high level for a long time. (Three time first team all-conference (soph, jun, sen) and was first team freshman All-American.)

The guy gets after people, likes putting guys into the dirt and is capable of getting out into the second level quickly. He's pretty athletic for a guy his size, which I think translates well to the RT spot at the next level.

Like I said, I think high second round is a bit of a reach, but I don't think he makes it out of the second. After you get past Kalil, Martin and Reiff, Reynolds is as good (and I think better) than the rest and never let anyone get the best of him all year long where guys like Datko, Sanders, Adams, Adcock and Massie were supposedly inconsistent this past season.

I do like Alex Hurst from LSU and thought he looked good in the Tiger games I saw this past season.

Coogs · 01-17-2012, 10:02 PM

NFLDraftCountdown came out with their top 100 today. Reynolds is not on that list as of right now. This guy though is listed at #49, which is right in the area of our 2nd round pick...

49. Kelechi Osemele OT Iowa St.

Staying with the flow of your draft for this particular discussion, Konz in the 1st, and Osemele in the 2nd would have us looking like this...

LT Albert
LG Hudson
C Konz
RG Asamoah
RT Osemele

jd1020 · 01-17-2012, 10:02 PM

From the East vs West Shrine game thread: "BYU offensive tackle Matt Reynolds (6-4, 310) was smaller than expected. He had a mixed practice and should probably move inside to guard. His body shape just falls short of tackles in terms of height and arm length. Mississippi defensive end Kentrell Lockett (6-5, 243) beat him in a one-on-one, as Reynolds lost his feet and fell to the ground. In the coming days, he needs to play better."

He's just getting better and better.............

Saccopoo · 01-18-2012, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

From the East vs West Shrine game thread: "BYU offensive tackle Matt Reynolds (6-4, 310) was smaller than expected. He had a mixed practice and should probably move inside to guard. His body shape just falls short of tackles in terms of height and arm length. Mississippi defensive end Kentrell Lockett (6-5, 243) beat him in a one-on-one, as Reynolds lost his feet and fell to the ground. In the coming days, he needs to play better."

He's just getting better and better.............

See post #134.

We already addressed this.

Saccopoo · 01-18-2012, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

NFLDraftCountdown came out with their top 100 today. Reynolds is not on that list as of right now. This guy though is listed at #49, which is right in the area of our 2nd round pick...

49. Kelechi Osemele OT Iowa St.

Staying with the flow of your draft for this particular discussion, Konz in the 1st, and Osemele in the 2nd would have us looking like this...

LT Albert
LG Hudson
C Konz
RG Asamoah
RT Osemele

I only watched one Iowa State game and didn't noticed Osemele in terms of standing out. I don't know much about him. Perhaps someone who viewed a lot of Cyclone games could chime in on him.

jd1020 · 01-18-2012, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

See post #134.

We already addressed this.

Didn't see it.

Even so... What you quoted still hints towards a move inside to G.

I'll pass on a 2nd round pick on a 4th round projection who is likely to move inside to a position thats already filled with drafting Konz in the first and keeping Hudson at G.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-18-2012, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You are an idiot.

You can say that about every single position on the field.

With the new rookie pay scale, the positional value thing as it relates to the draft is minimized.

Konz is far and away the best center. We need a center.

Did you go ape shit crazy when we took a 3-4 defensive end or a safety with a top five pick the past two years? Because both of those positions are right there with Center and Right Tackle in terms of perceived positional value.

Or are you one of those reeruns that is happy overdrafting for a substandard quarterback because, well, "we need to take a quarterback, any quarterback, in the first round because we haven't done it in a long, long time."?

I love the Berry pick.

Turns out it was the right pick and you were wrong.

Taking C at 11 is dumb.

Trading down to the bottom of the first? Okay.

Saccopoo · 01-18-2012, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

I love the Berry pick.

Turns out it was the right pick and you were wrong.

Taking C at 11 is dumb.

Trading down to the bottom of the first? Okay.

No dumber than taking a safety in the top five.

It's a position that can and usually is filled with guys that can be found later in the draft and a position that is associated with a shorter longevity because of heightened injury potential. (Case in point - Berry. If he comes back from the knee injury and is fine, great. But what if he doesn't? Was it the right pick then? And to this point, he's been primarily a run defender and a liability in the passing game. I like the kid a lot, but let's not go annoitting him the next Paul Krause after one mixed rookie season. And yeah, he went to the Pro Bowl, but so did Matt Cassel.) How often has Polamalu and Bob Sanders been injured over their careers?

Nightfyre · 01-18-2012, 03:26 AM

Vlachos in the third round is much better value and fits our zbs better than konz, imo.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-18-2012, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No dumber than taking a safety in the top five.

It's a position that can and usually is filled with guys that can be found later in the draft and a position that is associated with a shorter longevity because of heightened injury potential. (Case in point - Berry. If he comes back from the knee injury and is fine, great. But what if he doesn't? Was it the right pick then? And to this point, he's been primarily a run defender and a liability in the passing game. I like the kid a lot, but let's not go annoitting him the next Paul Krause after one mixed rookie season. And yeah, he went to the Pro Bowl, but so did Matt Cassel.) How often has Polamalu and Bob Sanders been injured over their careers?

dumbass

jspchief · 01-18-2012, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

NFLDraftCountdown came out with their top 100 today. Reynolds is not on that list as of right now. This guy though is listed at #49, which is right in the area of our 2nd round pick...

49. Kelechi Osemele OT Iowa St.

Staying with the flow of your draft for this particular discussion, Konz in the 1st, and Osemele in the 2nd would have us looking like this...

LT Albert
LG Hudson
C Konz
RG Asamoah
RT Osemele

So our line will be 2 rookies and a sophmore with limited playing time?

Never gonna happen.

KC HAS to fill a few starter roles with FAs, or stick with what they have. G/C happens to have a nice FA crop this year. It's the area that should be prime focus in FA.

And people need to start being realistic about how many rookies will start for KC in 2012.

jd1020 · 01-18-2012, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

And people need to start being realistic about how many rookies will start for KC in 2012.

I can only think of 2. C/G, since Weigmann will hopefully retire now, depending on where the Chiefs want to go with Hudson and RT, because Richardson is worse than Tebow at his position.

I can't see anyone else starting at any position on the roster, injuries aside. The only other one I could possibly see being a potential position for a rookie to start is at CB, if Carr is not re-signed.

Is it so unrealistic to see 2 rookies, who will likely be high draft picks, starting?

This team needs depth. The starters on this team are, overall, very capable. The problem is the depth is horrible.

**the Talking Can** · 01-18-2012, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No dumber than taking a safety in the top five.

It's a position that can and usually is filled with guys that can be found later in the draft and a position that is associated with a shorter longevity because of heightened injury potential. (Case in point - Berry. If he comes back from the knee injury and is fine, great. But what if he doesn't? Was it the right pick then? And to this point, he's been primarily a run defender and a liability in the passing game. I like the kid a lot, but let's not go annoitting him the next Paul Krause after one mixed rookie season. And yeah, he went to the Pro Bowl, but so did Matt Cassel.) How often has Polamalu and Bob Sanders been injured over their careers?

Still hating on Berry...hilarious.

A 'mixed rookie season'?

He had one of the best rookie seasons any safety has ever had. Ever. He was the second best player on the field for us in the playoff game, as a rookie.

Jesus ****, man. Berry was drafted because he had been a star his whole damn life from high school to college, and everyone but you could see it. And he wasn't injured because he's a hard hitting safety. He was injured because some dick bag took a cheap shot at his knee.

You're so spectacularly ****ing wrong about things. But now you want us to draft a center a #11...and a 3rd round guard in the 2nd to be a RT? Those are 'smart ideas' to you, but drafting Berry wasn't?

**** me

htismaqe · 01-18-2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I only watched one Iowa State game and didn't noticed Osemele in terms of standing out. I don't know much about him. Perhaps someone who viewed a lot of Cyclone games could chime in on him.

I hate the Cylcones, but he's pretty good.

01-10-2012, 01:53 PM
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock 1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs. - Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him. Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen). 2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs. - Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round. 3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs. - Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards. 4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs. - With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup. 5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs. - With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football. 6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs. - With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety. 7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs. - Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011. Last edited by Saccopoo; 01-17-2012 at 09:12 PM..
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01-17-2012, 09:25 PM	#136
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jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $6922645	From the East vs West Shrine game thread: "BYU offensive tackle Matt Reynolds (6-4, 310) was smaller than expected. He had a mixed practice and should probably move inside to guard. His body shape just falls short of tackles in terms of height and arm length. Mississippi defensive end Kentrell Lockett (6-5, 243) beat him in a one-on-one, as Reynolds lost his feet and fell to the ground. In the coming days, he needs to play better." He's just getting better and better.............
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01-18-2012, 03:26 AM	#145
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