Congratz Dorsey, you suck.

[Mr. Laz]

You inherited a team that was a decent HC and QB away from being a playoff level team.

Reid arrived, wanted his QB and we made the playoffs.

It's been downhill ever since.

FA Losses: T Branden Albert, G Jon Asamoah, S Quintin Demps, DE Tyson Jackson, ILB Akeem Jordan, RB/WR Dexter McCluster, DT Jerrell Powe, G Geoff Schwartz, FS Kendrick Lewis.

We missed Albert at LT. Even though Fisher's play improved today, we still have no OT depth and were shredded at RT.

We missed Asamoah and Schwartz at guard. They might not be great but they are better than the scrubs you added off the street.

We missed McCluster in the slot, we had nothing but Avery today.

We missed Tyson Jackson, run defense along Dline was terrible.

You even made us miss Kendrick Lewis and Quentin Demps. Lewis was dog crap, but he's better than the nothing we have at backup safety now.

We missed Flowers whom you cut for money and didn't add anyone

We missed average Succop whom you cut for money.

You acted like it didn't matter who we lost because Reid/Smith were like Belichek /Brady and they would just find some way to win. They aren't.

Your drafts have been borderline terrible.



A steaming pile of shit is what you've built.

Congratz on your pending run to the 1st pick of the draft next year.

Oh, something else ...... **** you.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Holy ****ing shit.

Commings and catapano are done? Where the **** is that coming from? Catapano is out this season because of a concussion. We don't know what we have in them. DAT has been an effective gadget receiver and should improve. No, he's not a primary receiver but he's a valuable role player. And Harris was very valuable to us when we ran 3 te sets, which we had a lot of success with. You're right, we should just cut all these guys before we know what we have in them.

Mike Catapano.

You think some 7th round guy from the ****ing IVY LEAGUE is ever going to be a factor in his third year when he hasn't played in over a year and didn't do anything when he did play?

What the **** has Thomas done beside house one punt in the preseason?

Harris can be replaced next season by any blocking TE with an offseason of work with the team.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KCFalcon59

You're delusional. We have a rag tag patchwork group of has beens manning our secondary. They absolutely suck. Smoke and mirrors. JFC

Sean Smith is surprisingly excellent. Gaines is arrow up. Our nickel options are Fleming, Parker, and Owens which is the best nickel and dime depth we've had since marty. Abdullah and Parker are good enough if you put them alongside a good safety like berry. Next year, we see what we have in commings.

Are people expecting we have 5 pro bowlers in the secondary? For a secondary we all predicted would be a shit show, this unit has been surprisingly good and we have unexpected depth.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Mike Catapano.

You think some 7th round guy from the ****ing IVY LEAGUE is ever going to be a factor in his third year when he hasn't played in over a year and didn't do anything when he did play?

What the **** has Thomas done beside house one punt in the preseason?

Harris can be replaced next season by any blocking TE with an offseason of work with the team.

I don't know what we have in him. But your reasoning for dismissing him is ridiculous. He was expected to be a quality contributor until he got hurt.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by KCFalcon59

You're delusional. We have a rag tag patchwork group of has beens manning our secondary. They absolutely suck. Smoke and mirrors. JFC

Yes - he is QUITE delusional. Hopelessly so in fact. He advocated for much of the product on the field (especially the OL) . I even suggested a self ban, for being so wrong, if proven to be the case...That way we'd all be spared his dumbassery this off season.

[duncan_idaho]

There are still people who believe Sanders "Mr. Glass" Commings is ever going to contribute ANYTHING? Really?

He couldn't stay healthy in college. He can't stay healthy as a pro. Odds are, he'll never stay healthy.

We're never "going to see what we have with Commings" because that guy can't stay healthy.

D'Anthony Thomas has been a decent piece, but the Chiefs needed to draft a real receiver, not a gadget receiver, in the 2014 draft. The first 3 rounds had loads of them, and KC passed on them all despite having a glaring and obvious need.

Once Moncrief went off the board in the 3rd, there was a significant drop-off in talent at WR.

It might be different if Dorsey had addressed WR through FA... but he didn't.

[RunKC]

Dorsey is one of the only reasons we are as god as we are.

Ron Parker
Jaye Howard
Phillip Gaines
Husain Abdullah
Travis Kelce
Knile Davis
DAT

All these guys look like good players. Sure it's his fault that he didn't use our first rd pick to contribute this year, but Andy is the one who wanted Alex and cost us 2 2nd rd picks.

Dorsey has proven that he's able to bring in quality talent
Even without resources.

I fully expect us to bolster the OL and WR corps next year. Defense needs an ILB and one more run stuffer.

[MIAdragon]

Ron ****ing Parker can die in an aids tree inferno. I award you zero points and May God have mercy on your soul.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TEX

Yes - he is QUITE delusional. Hopelessly so in fact. He advocated for much of the product on the field. I even suggested a self ban, for being so wrong, if proven to be the case...That way we'd all be spared his dumbassery this off season.

SHOW ME THE GODDAMN POST WHEN I SAID WE HAD A GOOD OLINE AND RECEIVER CORPS.

holy hell, you've spouted this bullshit a million times and there isn't an ounce of truth to it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

There are still people who believe Sanders "Mr. Glass" Commings is ever going to contribute ANYTHING? Really?

He couldn't stay healthy in college. He can't stay healthy as a pro. Odds are, he'll never stay healthy.

We're never "going to see what we have with Commings" because that guy can't stay healthy.

D'Anthony Thomas has been a decent piece, but the Chiefs needed to draft a real receiver, not a gadget receiver, in the 2014 draft. The first 3 rounds had loads of them, and KC passed on them all despite having a glaring and obvious need.

Once Moncrief went off the board in the 3rd, there was a significant drop-off in talent at WR.

It might be different if Dorsey had addressed WR through FA... but he didn't.

I am talking about organic changes to this roster without lifting a finger. If commings plays well, great. If he doesn't... Our secondary has been surprisingly decent and deep.

Agree on everything else. Not drafting a receiver and whiffing on Sanders was a miss.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

There are still people who believe Sanders "Mr. Glass" Commings is ever going to contribute ANYTHING? Really?

He couldn't stay healthy in college. He can't stay healthy as a pro. Odds are, he'll never stay healthy.

We're never "going to see what we have with Commings" because that guy can't stay healthy.

D'Anthony Thomas has been a decent piece, but the Chiefs needed to draft a real receiver, not a gadget receiver, in the 2014 draft. The first 3 rounds had loads of them, and KC passed on them all despite having a glaring and obvious need.

Once Moncrief went off the board in the 3rd, there was a significant drop-off in talent at WR.

It might be different if Dorsey had addressed WR through FA... but he didn't.

Sorry bud I still take phillip Gaines over any WR rd 3, especially after last night.

The kid is going to be a really good corner

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Sorry bud I still take phillip Gaines over any WR rd 3, especially after last night.

The kid is going to be a really good corner

Gaines is certainly developing nicely (though he's only the second-best rookie CB named Gaines in the NFL). I wasn't specifically saying "They should have taken Moncrief instead of Gaines"... just that there was a significant drop-off in WR talent after Moncrief went off the board in round 3.

The Chiefs likely could have gotten Gaines in Round 4 (as he was rated a Round 5 guy by many) or traded up to get him if necessary... but the better move would have been drafting Kelvin Benjamin or Jordan Matthews instead of waste-of-sperm Dee Ford in round 1.

Bottom line... they had two picks with which they could have addressed the most glaring need on the team, but did not. That's a major failing.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Gaines is certainly developing nicely (though he's only the second-best rookie CB named Gaines in the NFL). I wasn't specifically saying "They should have taken Moncrief instead of Gaines"... just that there was a significant drop-off in WR talent after Moncrief went off the board in round 3.

The Chiefs likely could have gotten Gaines in Round 4 (as he was rated a Round 5 guy by many) or traded up to get him if necessary... but the better move would have been drafting Kelvin Benjamin or Jordan Matthews instead of waste-of-sperm Dee Ford in round 1.

Bottom line... they had two picks with which they could have addressed the most glaring need on the team, but did not. That's a major failing.

The Gaines pick was a good one.

Where Dorsey struggles is the blue chip stuff. Big free agents, first round picks. He tries too hard to get cute and exploit tendencies. He mentioned drafting Ford because of his explosiveness, drafting Fisher because he believed long arms were the next ground for linemen, and picking up vance walker because he wanted one gappers who can quickly explode into the pocket.

If he treats the blue chips like he does the scrap guys, which is to focus on talent over forcing into scheme, hopefully he sees more success. Because you're right, he missed on some really good receivers to try to exploit a gimmick.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The Gaines pick was a good one.

Where Dorsey struggles is the blue chip stuff. Big free agents, first round picks. He tries too hard to get cute and exploit tendencies. He mentioned drafting Ford because of his explosiveness, drafting Fisher because he believed long arms were the next ground for linemen, and picking up vance walker because he wanted one gappers who can quickly explode into the pocket.

If he treats the blue chips like he does the scrap guys, which is to focus on talent over forcing into scheme, hopefully he sees more success. Because you're right, he missed on some really good receivers to try to exploit a gimmick.

I applaud you sir for FINALLY saying SOMETHING I can agree with!

Not that it matters, because everyone is entitled to his/ her opinion - just easy to read something I agree with coming from you, rather than wanting to send my monitor flying across the room.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TEX

I applaud you sir for FINALLY saying SOMETHING I can agree with!

Not that it matters, because everyone is entitled to his/ her opinion - just easy to read something I agree with coming from you, rather than wanting to send my monitor flying across the room.

Again, if you read what was actually talked about in the offseason, you'd probably agree in hindsight more than you realize.

I never said the oline would be good. What I said is that good gms can build good olines while spending little money and using lesser draft picks. Dorsey has done that. But between 4 picks and multiple free agents, the oline talent is terrible. That is a problem with Dorsey, not the approach. He has to get better evaluating oline talent.

I got a lot of shit for saying we didn't need desean Jackson and jairus Byrd. Obviously, they'd both be huge upgrades. But look where we landed. We barely signed Alex Smith and we are scared as shit we won't extend Houston, berry, Hudson, or Poe. I still stand behind the approach to clean up the cap vs spend big money.

I predicted 7-9 and said I just wanted to see improvement. We've seen the worst case scenario. Even behind the worst offensive line we've seen in years, we will probably end up over. 500 against a brutal schedule.

I know the oline has to be much better. Obviously, our receivers suck. But whereas everyone had this ultimatum to win now, I said it would take two years and the only way it works is if Dorsey is nails. I think he's quietly built an excellent dline, secondary, tes, and backfield. His next step is to patch up the oline and bring some receiving weapons. He has whiffed big time on these two things so far so he better get that shit right next offseason.

There were a lot of people who predicted 2-14. It's amazing that because of one loss, Cp is siding with these people instead of the realists who predicted a 7-9 good or quite great yet year.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Again, if you read what was actually talked about in the offseason, you'd probably agree in hindsight more than you realize.

I never said the oline would be good. What I said is that good gms can build good olines while spending little money and using lesser draft picks. Dorsey has done that. But between 4 picks and multiple free agents, the oline talent is terrible. That is a problem with Dorsey, not the approach. He has to get better evaluating oline talent.

I got a lot of shit for saying we didn't need desean Jackson and jairus Byrd. Obviously, they'd both be huge upgrades. But look where we landed. We barely signed Alex Smith and we are scared as shit we won't extend Houston, berry, Hudson, or Poe. I still stand behind the approach to clean up the cap vs spend big money.

I predicted 7-9 and said I just wanted to see improvement. We've seen the worst case scenario. Even behind the worst offensive line we've seen in years, we will probably end up over. 500 against a brutal schedule.

I know the oline has to be much better. Obviously, our receivers suck. But whereas everyone had this ultimatum to win now, I said it would take two years and the only way it works is if Dorsey is nails. I think he's quietly built an excellent dline, secondary, tes, and backfield. His next step is to patch up the oline and bring some receiving weapons. He has whiffed big time on these two things so far so he better get that shit right next offseason.

There were a lot of people who predicted 2-14. It's amazing that because of one loss, Cp is siding with these people instead of the realists who predicted a 7-9 good or quite great yet year.

We (fans) didn't set the ultimatum to win now. John Dorsey set that expectation by trading for Alex Smith. That's not a "win in the future" move. That's a win-now move.

The issues with signing players comes down to a willingness to use big signing bonuses to "game" the salary cap. Teams like Denver are willing to do that. The Chiefs have never shown a willingness to do that, under any of the GMs in the salary cap era (MAYBE you can count the McGlockton signing under Peterson in 98 or whatever it was, but that's really it). Owner has to be willing to sign those checks...